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I know two small organizations that use this theme for sites hosted on bluehost.com. If this theme were availaable, both would move to WordPress.com. Our site would spend about $80/yr, and the other about $50/yr.
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The Themes Team have had requests for this Atahualpa theme and have said “no”. The theme has many customizable options and is complex in nature. If you use the searchbox you will find the threads in question.
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Hi TimeThief,
I agree with you that the request for the Atahualpa theme has been made and the themes team has said “no” a few times already. In fact, I have read ALL posts a search for Atahualpa returned.
The post from the theme team members reporting many customizable options and its complexity in nature are in RELATION to the ADAPTION of the theme from a single user via FTP upload, to the WordPress.com environment of multi site / multi network.
I agree with that assessment 100% – it would take a huge effort to make that conversion. I KNOW because I have successfully made that conversion and have live sites running the Atahualpa Theme in multi site / multi network mode.
With header / logo uploads as simple as the TwentyTen theme. (I used it as a pattern!)
As things change on the Internet almost daily, perhaps it is time to revisit and reevaluate a newer version of the Atahualpa theme with the multi site mod version 2.0 and see if it is suitable for WordPress.com
I would surely be available to see that this project was a success. I have 40 years programming experience and 16 years with PHP.
I wrote a post about this already at:
https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/atahualpa-theme-request-revisitedThe Modification that would allow Atahualpa to run in the WordPress.com environment is located at:
The Ultimate WordPress MultiSite, WP Multi Network, Atahualpa Mod -
This is just from a web developer who has had several clients want to use Atahualpa and gave up due to the complexity. The one client I had left that was using it asked me to change it to something else since every time she wanted to make a change to it she ended up giving up and contacting me to make the changes for her.
We have themes here with less than a tenth the complexity of Atahualpa and still have tons of forum threads where people are having problems even getting them to show featured images. Since wordpress.COM does not provide instruction guides for themes, the people are pretty much on their own on figuring them out, and Atahualpa has a ton to figure out.
It’s a great theme, but the complexity I see as a definite issue.
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@thesacredpath – I would definitely agree with you! It is like the difference between Windows and Ubuntu. Windows it quick and easy because it assumes almost everything and makes many choices for you – basically it doesn’t give you much choice! Ubuntu give you tons of choices – even multiple choices. Choices = Complexity in the minds of those who choose to not understand.
But I will agree customizing a site with Atahualpa to get it the way you want it will be more work than using TwentyTen. On the other hand, with TwentyTen you may never get what you wanted!
For someone who wants it easy I may suggest the TwentyTen Theme! It is a good basic theme and some might argue that we need nothing more! I disagree. I do not thing there is a one size fits all theme.
More directly toward your post, “WordPress.COM does not provide instructions guides for themes” is a very good point. Bytes4All runs a very active forum for this theme – one of the most popular themes for wordpress.org software installs. Most of this forum is dealing with how to set configurations. From the simplest to the most complex questions are answered very quickly. That is a plus you cannot say for other themes – even ones with less complexity. That would be a real plus for WordPress.COM users also!
Atahualpa may not be for everyone. TwentyTen is definitively not for everyone. Each month a few people, WordPress.COM users, raise the issue, can Atahualpa be added to WordPress.COM? I really doubt there is any other theme with the same number of repeat request to be added. The reason is because it is so popular with WordPress.ORG users.
The PAST issue seems to be one of complexity of Conversion from a single site theme based on FTP uploads – to a multi site / multi network theme based on standard WordPress Uploader path. That is no longer a complexity nor an issue because that work has now been completed.
The idea of the complexity of the theme itself (not the complexity of the conversion) is actually a New issue.
The theme itself (the program) is really not that complex AFTER you set up your settings and save them in the database.
It makes a single read to the data base – the same as TwentyTen. It plugs in your selections – the same as TwentyTen. It delivers your page, the same as TwentyTen. The major difference is the amount of options – and that appears to be why, week after week and month after month people are asking for this theme to be added to WordPress.COM.
What is new is that, previously, it was a time consuming and complex job to Convert it for multi site use. Today, that job is already done. And as you implied, giving the willingness for a person to understand the settings…
It’s a great theme!
I wonder if anyone on the Theme Team even knows that Atahualpa has already been converted and is running in a multi site / multi network environment on live sites today? Working very well also! A lot has changed in the last couple months.
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In Atahualpa, there are 26 pages of settings at appearance > theme options. The bulk of those pages have ten or so things on them. It is logically laid out (better than many I’ve seen) but there are still 26 pages with lots of stuff on them.
I just activated it on my test site and in my opinion there is a ton of stuff that wordpress.COM would strip out of it, and this was just a cursory review. I am of course just a volunteer.
Here are just a few things I highly suspect wordpress would strip out of it.
- SEO
- Forms
- Tables
- Favicons (wordpress.com handles this themselves)
- Feedburner setting in RSS
- Much in page menu bar since they handle that through the custom menu feature
- Virtually everything on Post/Page Info
- Anything that allows direct styling through CSS. WordPress sells an upgrade for that and they are not likely to jeopardize that revenue stream.
This theme would generate huge amounts of threads here in the forums, even with wordpress stripping it down to unrecognizable.
The stripping isn’t all the work eiither. They would have to go in and add in support for their own custom menus.
The worksheet to implement this theme here would be huge and staff would end up spending many hours carving it up and then testing it in all browsers and browser versions.
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CSS. WordPress sells an upgrade for that and they are not likely to jeopardize that revenue stream.
Now that is the best point of all, even though it has nothing to do with the complexity to the user.
I can also grasp what you said about the things you suspect WordPress.Com would strip from the theme. Maybe you are right.
However, instead of ignoring the issue (hoping it will go away when it doesn’t?), it would be nice if Staff actually made a meaningful webpage about the real and current reason for not adding this theme. Then when someone posted on the forum they could be referred to that page rather than a lot of people taking guesses or “highly suspecting” what staff’s actual reason is.
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Staff doesn’t typically give a lot of detail when they say no.
My suggestion would be to use the contact form and contact the theme team directly and see if they will give you any more information on why they decided against it.
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~~TSP
@atahualpatheme
The support link for contacting Staff has been reactivated. http://en.support.wordpress.com/contact/
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