Beep Beep Boop screen is a joke. Is this a glitch?
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Despite all of the bugs and errors the new editor now says – “Welcome to an easier way to create on WordPress.com!” Talk about rubbing salt in the wound.
Beep Beep Boop is back I notice, WP seem determined to keep this infantile nonsense. -
Thank you for the link to the classic editor.
Since I fear that this will be pulled as soon as beep Boop is “working” we had better compile a list of bugs and WIBNIs somewhere.
For me, the most worrying bug is that only the posts author can edit the post. So admins and editors are locked out. They are only told when they try to update the post!
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the link to the classic editor is just a temp fix and will go away at some time in the near future
earlier in this thread is sounds like the classic editor is also going away in the near future to be replaced by the blue death editor – past experience indicates the switch will happen when blue death is maybe half fixed
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@graceiyoung
1. It seems to be excluded from all other core elements as the whole left sidebar is away. The right sidebar is there but the panels are not opened (extra clicks). The bottom settings are not there anymore. The top bar is different too (where is the tiny traffic per hour diagram for example?). Resulting in no usability and absolutely no accessability.
The top bar of the new editor allows you to go straight to your Reader, all your sites, and stats on the left. If you were interested in the diagram, it would be a good idea to go to your Stats page.
I don’t think you understood @diaryofdennis’s concern. I share it also: The new editor is removed from our dashboard. While composing posts I often open up other dashboard screens to gain access to old posts, pages, feedback, etc. NONE of those are available from the new editor. I don’t want, nor do I need direct access to the Reader while writing posts. I want direct access to the dashboard. The Reader is for reading, not writing!
It is also highly inconvenient that we can’t move the modules around as we can with the dashboard editor. This is described as one of the great features of the editor in the support docs, and now WordPress seems to be trying to get rid of it. Please don’t!
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^ It is a good idea, above, to list and log all bugs as they happen, as of course WP will shift to this, for whatever reason there is (it can’t be for efficiency itself, because for users, the new editor is far less efficient than the old)
If the functionality of the old editor is ALL preserved in the new, we can adapt. But what I will resent is the infantile interface. Some blogs are serious. We don’t all want to be living inside a teenager’s head when doing our work.
Please listen, WP. The strength of your platform is the professionalism. If you lose that, you will lose alot of users along with it.
The more this platform gets fiddled with; the more I lose the functionality I’ve enjoyed, the harder I look for alternative platforms; in the meantime, logging all bugs and issues is a good idea.
And daily requests to ditch the idiot wait messages. -
@kokkieh – but remember that the old editor is still broken –
remember the thread that I started and several of us put in very specific recommendations that would make the editor changes work with the big window?
NONE of those suggestions have been implemented and the paste was then broken and we are told how great it is to need to use Ctrl-V for paste
maybe before you were in the forum – the image insert was changed and the ability to size pictures to specific sizes went away?? We were told how great it was in 2014 to need to change html code to size pictures and also do html code for picture borders? yes a great leap forward – some weeks later to their credit they did put back in the image resize option, but it was way hidden and you needed the secret handshake to find it
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I also get that feeling, which makes it mystifying that they made all those changes to the old editor not a month ago.
@kokkieh: me too.
That is why my question was clear and simple
https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/beep-beep-boop-screen-is-a-joke-is-this-a-glitch/page/13?replies=493#post-1996129Keep forever.
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The top bar of the new editor allows you to go straight to your Reader, all your sites, and stats on the left. If you were interested in the diagram, it would be a good idea to go to your Stats page.
The left side bar and the top bar allowed me to access everything. The new one not. I mean,… please… where is the left sidebar?? The top bar did not need any changes too. How can you miss to answer the question with the biggest problem? The left sidebar is away and the panels in the right sidebar are tiny and not opened. I know that I can open the stats for more details but that doesn´t mean that I didn´t use the hourly diagram. It was a great indicator for “traffic rush times”, something like a reminder “Hey you have traffic spikes right now, would you like to see where it is from”? It was a very good indicator but if this is the only feature that would be missing, it wouldn´t be a problem for me. Please tell me why developers removed the left sidebar and why the right contains unopened panels? It´s fussy extra work for the blogger. Do you really don´t see how much less access the new editor gives to other wp features? The left sidebar alone did remove everything.
How small is the text field? From my point-of-view it isn’t as small as the one on Facebook. Here is what I’m seeing:
Let me know if that’s not the case with you.
Ok let me show you a screenshot too. In fact two screenshots layered in photoshop with substraction and 50 % transparency so that you can see how the old editor makes more use of all the empty room of the new editor. It´s somewhat strange that you really have to show this on this way because it is totally obvious, otherwise you wouldn´t find so much people complain about it here… but ok.. take a look if you really don´t see the difference…
Old and new editor in comparison
The tiny brown box is the new editor. Don´t you see how much room there would be around the whole editor if I wouldn´t have added the new editor below the image? Don´t you see how much more the old editor uses the room of my screen? Can you understand why people get a vertical-ish feelin while looking at the new one? The new one looks zoned on a widescreen while the old one makes use of all the room on a screen.
The design of the editor was design specifically for desktop, not mobile. So, from what I’m hearing you would like the editor to be more spaced out (I guess horizontally?) rather than have everything straight in a row vertically? Let me know if I’m misunderstanding your statement.
To be honest… I can´t see that and I can´t understand that. I told you why I think so. The new one is designed and does only use around 50% of my widescreen if at all. It´s no wonder if people get the impression that it´s somewhat designed for mobile devices. It´s that impression you get. It makes in now way use of the room a desktop widescreen offers, I can repeat it again and again and my image should show this clearly.
Yes, more spaced out if you call it this way. Again look at the comparison image. The old edit has someonething on the left, a very practical sidebar. On the right there are all tools but opened. The text field is horizontal way wider than the new one which makes the whole layout look like it´s, well a layout, as someone thought about a structure before designing it. From designer view you can clearly see that someone did experiment with layouts before they actually started to design it. I can´t see it with the new editor. It looks like “We put a tiny text field into the middle… the outer space does not need anything… bloggers just need a text field for some tiny messages”.
Sorry but this is how it looks like.At the end…. I get one impression…
Those changes are indeed intentionally. Beeing active in so many areas, I am very well aware about the trend to design things so that every Jon Doe is capable to use it. YOu can see this trend in the gaming niche. Games were once complex until developers decided to downgrade them so heavily that the publishers can maximize profit because every Jon Doe will understand and therefore buy all new games. Resulting in the fact that old gaming fans now dislike to play the games because they are bored as hell, while the mainstream mass (which is bigger) loves the games. I saw this trend repeating in other hobbies as well.
I get the impression that this is the reason for the design changes. Make the editor less complex so that more Jon Doe´s can be attracted. It might be that beginners are overhelmed with all the tools but don´t forget that they will go into it if they are really interested. And at some point a blogger needs more than just a tiny textfield with tiny closed toolbar on the right. Your longterm customers are the bone of the whole structure and they are the ones who help and teach the new ones to become a part of the community too.
There is a reason why Photoshop is different than Paint. If you are really into graphics you will soon notice that Paint isn´t enough and you will try out more complex software like Photoshop. It´s not that much different with blogging. You need all kind of tools as a blogger and I said it, they were in reach with the old editor but aren´t anymore with the new one. And if so, you´ll need three more clicks to access the tools.
There is a reason why people dislike such design changes. To fully understand it you just have to read about the Windows 8 outrage. At some point, Microsoft really thought that the OS must designed as a tablet app. We all know what customers answer was. Windows 8 didn´t sell and if it did sell, then through the pre-installed marked (sold desktop PC´s and Notebooks). Which is why it is right…
Never ever touch a very well running system. Desktop PC´s aren´t dead and they never will be. I promise it. It´s because semi-professionals and professionals work with this kind of workplace. Mobile devices are for the Jon Doe´s who want to write small text messages to friend or family or who want to be able to upload a photo in seconds.
There is a lot of stuff removed in the new editor and it is visible. The new editor ties hands. Using it feels like using the editor on a smartphone. It´s the tiny workspace and the un-used room.
If you really didn´t design the new editor for mobile devices, than I just can repeat it again…. it appears as if you did.Make the old editor the default editor. This is the only logical thing you can do. Listen to the community. And if there are people who like the new one…. please show me where they are. I don´t want to upset you because you just do your job but at some point even the customer team, specially the developer team should admit mistakes. There are a lot of negative voices here about the new editor.
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Oh sadly had some quote erros in my post. Sorry. Sad that we can´t edit our postings in the forum here.
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@auxclass
I’m very aware that none of those ideas were implemented. The image resizing was before I started volunteering, but people are still starting new threads about not having the functionality that was available before the change.@galois
I noticed graceiyoung deftly sidestepped your question, giving an answer but not really answering it. -
I noticed graceiyoung deftly sidestepped your question, giving an answer but not really answering it.
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I don’t think you understood @diaryofdennis’s concern. I share it also: The new editor is removed from our dashboard. While composing posts I often open up other dashboard screens to gain access to old posts, pages, feedback, etc. NONE of those are available from the new editor. I don’t want, nor do I need direct access to the Reader while writing posts. I want direct access to the dashboard. The Reader is for reading, not writing!
Exactly what I meant. Thank you for explaining it again. The new editor is seprated from the dashboard. This is a a very huge problem.
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@kokkieh – my use here is sort of simpleton things – but when the no resize came out – then they had the drag and drop a corner – fine for some two vacation picture crap but in my case with up to 15 pictures for how to do things – having the pictures all the same width is vital for a nice looking Post – the the % suggestion was a joke also
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I would like to report two bugs in the new editor:
1) Saving in a text editor does not work. I do not see any changes or
saved browser page is blank.
2) Planned entries are set by zone UTC. It works badly if the blog has a different time zone. -
I now notice a link to switch to the old editor above the “beep beep boop” awfulness, accompanied with a reassuring text:
Welcome to an easier way to create on WordPress.com! Missing the old editor? No worries, just switch to classic mode.
Dear WP developers: the old editor was NOT “difficult” at all!
“Oversimplification” is the term here. And NOT necessary for wide desktop or laptop screens. The shrunken editor just looks foolish on my 17 inch screen, it gives the impression of some makeshift solution pending “the real thing”.
Also: as already mentioned: the new editor is cut off from the rest of the elements which my blog consists of.Also: clicking on the “edit” button underneath a post still takes me to beep beep boop, so there I will still need the workaround mentioned earlier to get to the “classic mode”.
The choice for old should be implemented on *all* pages..
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Most of us do not pay for Premium. We are therefore neither clients nor a target audience; we are not even content providers. We are, just like all the facebook users, a resource, the merchandise that is sold to other companies that wish to advertise their product to people who read our blogs. We are, shortly put, cattle. We enjoy being cattle, and we have our lovely green grass in return (the resources that WP gives us in return for being cattle), and there is nothing wrong about that, but we are cattle nonetheless. Cattle has no voice.
In this thread, there are a bit over 500 messages. If every message were written by a different blog user, that would have still been a tiny, tiny fraction of all the active wordpress blogs. Most of the users do not give a damn about the new editor, possibly they haven’t even noticed that.
Clearly, blogs are less and less popular. The future, according to market analysts are iPads and Androids. They think that fewer and fewer people will use a desktop to write their blog. They wish that WordPress is not only a platform for writing, but reading as well. That is why you have the reader, and that is why the reader will now become also the writer, dashboard and media library, perfectly adapted to a 7″ screen. Whether it is a good marketing choice or not, we will see; but this is beyond the point — this is how marketing departments all over the world, and not only them, view the future.
If you think that WordPress will give you the option of choosing the old reader, then you are wrong. The old reader will go away, sooner or later, or will be buried deep in the dashboard structure, more and more. The best that will happen is that the new editor will not suck as much as it does currently. You can see that by analyzing the replies from staff in this thread: they reply and ask about actual bugs, but completely ignore other complaints (like the size of the editor). A user likened the size of the new editor to the size of a facebook text area; the reply was that the editor looks a bit bigger after all.
Furthermore, you can save yourselves your threats of leaving. No one will take them seriously: 99% of the users who threat to leave a service never do. The remaining is a fraction of a fraction, and WordPress will not even notice. WordPress stats would not even notice if all of us as we discuss in this thread killed their blogs immediately.
Personally, I started looking around for a nice platform where I could put my wordpress.org installation.
Good bye, and good luck.
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The Great Beep Boop Debate – Day Three… :-)
This morning I wake up to find that those of us who want the original editor can now click on a link to return to it. I guess this is progress after all the complaining we’ve been doing so thanks for listening but there is just one tiny thing:
This simply is robbing Peter to pay Paul because our beef is that – as many have already stated – we PC users want the original editor as our one and only default editor and not a second option.
Whilst I use the workarounds already suggested, for the sake of this discussion allow me to elaborate on the process for me using the new editor:
I click on edit, wait 30 seconds for Beep Boop to load, the page appears, I click on the “original editor” link then wait another 5 seconds for it take me back to where I wanted to be in the first place.
Ergo I have to go through THREE protracted stages to do what I could previously do in ONE click in a fraction of the time! Exactly where is the benefit in that?
I’m sure I’m not alone in seeing how futile and this development is and I am at a loss at how it can be seen as a positive user friendly advancement to our blogging experience when it is clearly anything but.
So, once again PLEASE listen to the calls for the old editor to remain in place as the DEFAULT editor for us PC users and keep this new jokey editor for mobile users only.
Thank you
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