Beep Beep Boop screen is a joke. Is this a glitch?
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Hey Everyone!
I’m going to try hard to answer all of the questions here. I’ll be continuing to read through the bug reports and reporting them to the necessary teams.
@gastephen – So, you are saying that with the New Editor, drafts are saved in the browser itself and not on the server, right?
The New Editor autosaves a post within the browser. However, for the draft to appear in your All Posts page on your Dashboard, you will need to manually save it.
For example, if you started a new post, typed a bit, then exited the post, your content should still be there when you click “New Post” from the New Editor again. That’s the browser storage Grace was referring to.
@whos8that0girl – I can’t copy and paste on posts and that doesn’t help my situation.
Can you open a new thread so we can troubleshoot this? I’m afraid it will get lost in the threads here.
@sylviacole – Perhaps you could enable a way for us to simply chose which editor we prefer and set it as our default? Then everyone would be happy.
Currently, this is in place with the editor preference. When you switch back to the classic editor, your preference should be saved for six weeks. As of right now, there aren’t any plans to offer an option going forward that would permanently set your preference for the editor.
@ylin002 – Finally, I know you’re working on “remembering” preferences. However, my preference for the classic mode is not holding.
Can you make sure cookies are turned on within your browser?
@mikecane – And it’s now Tuesday. I just tried the “classic” — ADULT — editor. the unchecked Screen Option still isn’t remembered after Save Draft. My patience is running out.
Can you make sure cookies are turned on within your browser (same as above)?
@sensuouscurmudgeon – gracejiyoung, it would be very useful if you could give us the estimated date the developers are considering for the retirement of the “classic” editor. Will it be this week, next week, a month from now, or what?
We don’t have a specific timeline in place. Our goal is to continue to improve the new editor to such an extent that users prefer it over the classic editor.
@timethief – There is a blogger with visual impairment who has accessibility issues. I do not want that “modlooked” thread to get lost here so I am cross-referencing by posting the link to the thread here
https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/about-publish-button?replies=2#post-2004317 Thanks, in advance, for seeing that the blogger gets Staff assistance.Thanks for pointing this out! I’ll take a look now.
@cosgroveloretta – Have you noticed there isn’t an option to add or edit subheadings to posts in the BBB-Editor?
Great point! I’ll be sure to bring this up.
@knashermac2009 – My real point is that old posts (with the gallery shortcode [gallery] ) cannot be edited with Beep Beep Bloop because it loads all the pictures uploaded to the blog (in my case 12,000) instead of all pictures uploaded to the post.
Thanks for the report here. I was able to recreate this on my side. Currently, it looks like choosing “Uploaded to this post” doesn’t properly filter the images. I’ll be reporting this as well.
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Per jeremeylduvall:
We don’t have a specific timeline in place. Our goal is to continue to improve the new editor to such an extent that users prefer it over the classic editor.
Why does the phrase “Don’t hold your breath” spring to mind? ;-) :-P
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jeremeylduvall said:
We don’t have a specific timeline in place. Our goal is to continue to improve the new editor to such an extent that users prefer it over the classic editor.
Thanks for responding. It may be of no interest, but I’ve just posted about this situation: Whither this Humble Blog?, which describes my impression of things and the plans I’m making in anticipation of the demise of “classic.”
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Is it possible for you to tell if Automattic has decided to completely overhaul the TinyMCE editor for WordPress.com users, without a possibility of alternate choices?
I am currently okay with the interim solution of cookie-based selection (I thought I didn’t need to come back to this thread, but it seems to be still alive). It would be a nightmare to adopt to this variation of your TinyMCE development, if and when it would come to it.
I would prefer we get really advance heads up on this because I don’t see TinyMCE folks going the same route in their development of this product. Or am I missing something?
WordPress.com Multi-User platform can decide to go whichever route it envisions for itself. I think its users should have clear ideas on the visions of this platform. Please tell me you can provide some clear guidance.
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A good compromise would be to keep both the old editor for current users, and provide new editor for the new users. People can pick and choose whatever they like best, depending on their platforms. The new editor is certainly not suitable for desktop editing (I would like to guess that most of the complainants here are using WordPress on desktop).
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Thanks for the clarification.
Are you doing anything about the bug in sizing images added to a post when using the BBB editor?
Steps to reproduce:
1. Open the BBB editor
2. Add media
3. Select an uploaded image from Media Library
4. Attachment Display Settings / change default selection in ‘Size’ dropdown to ‘Full Size – 675 x 442‘
5. Click ‘Insert into post’
6. The automatically generated markup then resizes the image in both the [caption] and the <img> tag to width=”660”
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The New Editor autosaves a post within the browser. However, for the draft to appear in your All Posts page on your Dashboard, you will need to manually save it.
Can you explain how this is an improvement? If we delete cookies we will lose our draft if we didn´t save manually? This sounds like a pretty strange design decision and I see this as a downgrade. Is it to minimize load on the WordPress servers?
When you switch back to the classic editor, your preference should be saved for six weeks. As of right now, there aren’t any plans to offer an option going forward that would permanently set your preference for the editor.
I believe a lot of people delete cookies regularly with CCleaner or whatever after a working session. This is a pretty common practice.
Why is this option stored locally? This should be saved on the servers as well.We don’t have a specific timeline in place. Our goal is to continue to improve the new editor to such an extent that users prefer it over the classic editor.
We still don´t know the reasons for the new editor. I am still shocked that wordpress didn´t communicate earlier with us about the changes. We don´t know anything. Why does the wordpress team believe that there is need for a new editor? What is so bad about the old one? Your answer reads like if we will be for sure forced to use the new editor, and that it is just a matter of time.
After going through this thread, how do you want to convince us with the new editor? Will it be an exact copy of the old one? It makes no sense to me anyhow. The rejection is clearly visible not only in this thread. I saw a lot of people posting about this issue. There are simply too many issues and the classic editor sets high standards that the new editor can´t reach unless you create a copy of it but thats…. ehhh.
It looks to me as if the simplifications are done to attract more newbies, to the cost of chasing away those who were your loyal users, those who have done it for you, suggesting the service and teaching the beginners. Getting rid of the loyals, this kind of strategy never worked out well. If you kill your strong and loyal userbase, you will end up with a community that will more and more scream for over-simplifications, resulting in a total downgraded product and service.
To wear my tinfoil hat again… other reason I can imagine is that it´s again about money. Reduce server load to save money.
It´s just that I still can´t imagine that it´s done for improvements because I can´t see any improvements. All I see is a huge downgrade and over-simplification, which is by the way funny because most bloggers are not really depending on simple tools that don´t give full access on all features. And the usability aspect has been mentioned several times too here. There are worlds apart the old one and the new one, so that I am pretty nosy what kind of changes we can expect… I don´t get it.
It´s just that I wish I could understand the decision but I can´t because all we hear is “We gonna do it… forward forward, no matter if you like it or not”.
And as others said. Why is it a problem to give us the permanent option to choose which editor we want to use?
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I’ve seen all of the Happiness Engineer posts about this topic. And I hve only one more thing to add here… “Is it really such a big deal, no matter what is done to ‘improve’ the newer BBB editor, to just KEEP the Classic editor? And I mean, BEFORE it was changed (to having to uncheck the “expand window” option)?”
Put it this way… my mother makes a delicious “classic” meatloaf. A new restaurant down the road offers a new meatloaf, the “Beep, Bop, Boop” meatloaf. Which is delicious as well, but different from Mother’s.
Does that mean I now, all of a sudden, want to ELIMINATE my mother’s classic meatloaf from my life? NO.
Bottom line: PLEASE KEEP THE CLASSIC editing option (as it was BEFORE all these changes).
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Of all the changes WordPress have made to the blogging platform over the years, just how many others have received such a consistently negative response?
At what point will WordPress actually take note of the comments being made, and rather than saying “we can fix this”, note that the end users (the many millions of us) have been successfully blogging using the classic method, some of us for years (7+ in my case), and simply back away from this pet project that has so incited displeasure with the WordPress community.
It wouldn’t be the first time.
We don’t mind the classic editor. We like the classic editor. We want to retain the classic editor (and not just be given something that looks vaguely like it – why duplicate something that already exists)
On a similar note, if I move my blog across to the WordPress.org platform to get away from Beep Beep Boop, will that damned editor follow me? I don’t want to go to .org necessarily, but I will to get away from it.
There is one thing that WordPress does badly. It doesn’t respect the intelligence of its members (and prospective members). We’ve managed to work out how to use the classic editor for a long time, and the many millions of blog entries every day is a testament to the fact we can actually work out how to blog using it. If there is a problem with the classic editor, tell us why you think you need to make the change. If it is not justifiable, then don’t do it.
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For a week now, the Beep Beep Boop went away and the classic editor was back. I WAS SO HAPPY!!!!
NOW, the Beep Beep Boop editor is back.
I am a few clicks from saying screw it.
WordPress.com is TERRIBLE for doing this to its customers!
How come no major news agency is reporting on their unethical activity?
How are they getting away with scamming us like this? I paid $300 for easy to use – as it was months ago. Now they make it complicated to use. Sounds like bait and switch to me. -
Please let those of us who find the “new” editor impossible and completely inconvenient know WHEN the “classic” version will no longer be available. As was mentioned very articulately above — we deserve some time to make other arrangements, and our readers deserve to know what is going on. Thank you.
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Gosh, 871 posts on this topic as of August 21 AEST, and still The Powers that Be at WordPress have not had the courtesy to answer some of the key questions asked by its customers. (I say customers, because I pay WP for no ads on more than one blog, and for a domain name. Others pay more, for other things as well).
1. What is the *reason* for the change?
2. What are the supposed *merits* of the change that make WP hopeful that one day we will all prefer it?
3. Why is there a B/B/B screen that does nothing for 15 seconds+ before exiting to the edit screen?
4. Why is WP persisting with it when it has alienated so many customers?
and, oh yes, I have a supplementary question:
5. Does WP ever road-test its improvements on Windows platforms?These are not questions for volunteers, WP management has a responsibility to answer these queries.
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@lisahillschoolstuff – great questions! Hope that we will get answers soon.
Here is a short video to illustrate my frustration with the new “editor” – http://youtu.be/0n3lFbRDIIc
And yes, my cookies are ON!
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I think we might as well all face it the old Dashboard will disappear totally in the future…. If you got to your sites page.
You will see that the vast majority of the links when clicked on take you to this new interface… and not the old classic dashboard.
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If the classic editor is removed and the only option is this ‘new and improved’ editor, we will cease using wordpress.com. Simple.
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#Day 7 of the great Beep Boop debacle! :-P
Apologies for repeating myself but the other question which remained unanswered is why, if this new editor is for mobile devices only, are we desktop users being saddled with it too?
Are WP really that inept they cannot have two separate editors for each device/platform? Even if they didn’t think of it at first, surely the overwhelming negative reaction to the new editor should galvanize them to take this route or at least consider the dual option as many have suggested?
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AN OPEN LETTER TO MANAGEMENT
Given the volume of responses to this thread and the sentiments expressed in it, you should by now be all too painfully aware of the strength of the negative reaction among the WordPress.com community to the introduction of the new ‘BBB’ editor.
People become frustrated and even infuriated when they feel that their concerns are not being taken seriously. All credit to the those ‘Happiness Engineers’ who have contributed to this discussion – however, they have focused only on what are really side issues and have failed to address the main concerns, namely WHY? and WHEN?
WHY was the new editor released at all? What was the rationale and what greater strategy led to the decision to do so? If the business requirement was to provide a responsive design to cater for mobile-device users, then at the same time alienating desktop users seems like a very poor choice indeed.
WHEN will the much-loved ‘classic’ editor be withdrawn? If the plan is to retire the old editor, then at least have courtesy to make an unambiguous statement about its future so that people know where they stand. For a significant part of the community, the classic editor provides everything they need and there is absolutely no reason to change to an inferior and ill-conceived alternative.
You really do yourselves a mis-service by treating the WordPress.com community like this. As has already been said, many members are paying customers of your services. And as for all those who are not, just remember that they are not merely ‘users’, but that they are in fact your content providers. And without content WordPress.com is nothing.
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From the gastephen Open Letter:
As has already been said, many members are paying customers of your services. And as for all those who are not, just remember that they are not merely ‘users’, but that they are in fact your content providers. And without content WordPress.com is nothing.
We’re not really “customers,” although some of us pay for services. I pay for “no ads,” but there’s more to it than that. We’re like the volunteer workers in a political campaign. The politician depends upon us. He can’t afford to abuse us and assume that we’ll continue to work for him. If he makes an obvious mistake, he should admit it and correct it. If he denies that it’s a mistake and keeps feeding us a bunch of bull, he’s delusional if he imagines that we’ll continue to support him. The longer he plays that game, the more he convinces us that we’re backing the wrong candidate.
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Maybe this “beep beep boop” thing is some kind of experiment like had been written about with the dating website, OKCupid, after they had been acquired by a long-time rival, Match.com. Add my name to the list of the 800 plus who cannot believe you would mess with the formula, like at Coca-Cola.
Note the irony of this WordPress.com change when users were given so many obstacles to make easy edits/changes in their post. On the other had, this change just goes to show how much power in cyberspace both the government and the new institutions of ecommerce have, without much of a bond to either real people or the past. It is a good warning to all of us.
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