Copyright abuse!
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What Cnuk said is partly right.
Basically, you cannot say someone steals your content when he or she never claimed it as their own, and for the matter reveal the source.
Basically, that is different from someone copies your content without your permission. They look the same, but if it is for the case that you would not permit, then just tell the guy via comment that for karma, please remove it.
Copyright stealing is not like you go supermarket and take a pen away without paying.
The basic legal understanding of this is simple: When you have something put online, it’s for ‘replication’ via ‘public reading’. Which is, the piece of info is ‘shared’. When the info is shared, people have their rights to share in turns as well (by distributing the copies).
Eg. When WordPress started a new scheme and posted it (as a story), that story is picked up by Zeynepankara, then she ‘spreads’ the news, and to do that online, it includes copy and paste (which is the whole point of computer in the first place.). So this content is ‘moved’ but obviously, she made it known that this story is from WordPress; and if WordPress doesn’t like Zeynepankara, is it that she ‘steals’? :D
Scope.
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fair use and copyright have been topics since the old days of the World Wide WEB.
heres article from 1994:http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html
scottpettg if you can support your 5th paragraph with a link please do so,
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scopettg: it should be fairly simple but you’ve got it wrong. plagiarism is what you are referring to in terms of someone taking credit for work that was written by another person. understand that plagiarism is only *one* aspect of copyright infringement. another is the right to *distribute* that material. giving credit does not make it okay because you are utilizing/distributing someone else’s work to benefit your own blog and agenda. that is the ‘theft’ aspect.
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It understandable why this so confusing.
Rules for Embedding youtube video, rules for Mp3 files and so on.
I am an old fart with the web, i remember this argument with distributing art on the Web in the early nineties.
So much access with the net, And a whole generation grew up with social networking.You need to be a genius to fully understand all the laws. but they do exist.
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And it’s pretty clear when someone provides the embed code, like Cheezburger does, that they are encouraging that embedding to happen. When someone gives you something, there’s nothing wrong about taking it. The problem comes because people don’t realize the difference between what is possible and what is permissable; we didn’t used to be able to post embed codes, so people who even had permission had to hack. Now, it’s considered normal.
I was at Wordcamp Vancouver a couple of months back and a very, VERY prominent blogger said it was fine to take anything from Flickr, because “Hey, it’s a photo-sharing site!”
No, it’s not. It’s a photo-showing site. There’s a reason Flickr has copyright notices for every single pic, and you can’t overlook them just because it’s on Flickr. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing!
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This trouble f*cked my weekend up. I reported it and waiting a solution from WordPress support. I don’t feel to post a new entry either. Thanks for some empatic comments and I censure some unempatic ones…
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Zey, go buy a roll of… (what was it? Corona??) eat it all up and smile again and post again. Shits happen, Zey.
Cheers!
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@Zeynep- as a content creator, I’m sure you are also concerned about protecting the copyright of other creators. As rain pointed out above, copyright also covers images. Just sayin’…
@rain-imagine, Web 2.0 folk who don’t know about copyright; knock me over with a feather! Can we say “Creative Commons”? It was a delight to me when I attended WordCamp Israel last October to take part in a serious discussion of copyright, fair use and Creative Commons. (If only they’d posted the wrap up content in English, too!)
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If only WC Vancouver had had some copyright experts! We could have used them. There aren’t many people I won’t correct in public, and I should have corrected her but I was too stunned. Ah well.
@ zeyne, it looks like the next move is up to that blogger. If he doesn’t follow the instructions staff have given him, he could lose his blog altogether. So you don’t have to do anything else.
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Hey, I appologize, I deleted the post. I saw this only today.
Dear zeynepankara I am really sorry I caused you this.
Thanks tol the guys who defended me. No intention to steal no intention to harm someone. It’s a blog about depression which is supposed to help people. ( not to depress them :-) )
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Great to hear that you’ve resolved it and apologized. That’s exactly the right way to handle it.
You might want to go to her blog and let her know by leaving a comment. I’m sure she’ll want to hear.
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Don’t worry, she will soon see this here :-) she visits my blog too. I replied her there 3 or 4 times.
zeynepankara, you have a very cool avatar. have a great day.
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@raincoaster: Thanks again for your replies to me. I understand your point, but I have some objections.
Generalizations don’t necessarily apply to specific cases (even zeynepankara herself has a post against them!). I’ll take your word for how a typical Romanian is (I don’t know any Romanians except an excellent colleague of mine), but you cannot be sure that the people running that blog are so.
(I’m a Greek, you know, but my English-speaking acquaintances who know something about Greece and Greeks almost invariably tell me I would feel more at home in some other countries – and a German ex-girlfriend of mine used to say that I’m more German than her; I would be very sad if someone made assumptions about me based on nothing more than my nationality.)
The blog in question is called ‘Depression Anonymous’. I went through many of their posts, and they didn’t strike me as “scrapers and thieves” who “make a living doing this” – check this post, for instance. I’m not a lawyer, and you’re a lot more experienced than me re. blogs, so I will again take your word for what is legal or not. But I at least gave them the benefit of doubt: why rush to accuse them and call it criminal behavior instead of possibly just a lapse on their part?
Jaynelsonmanela, the administrator of the blog, removed the post (and did not delete zeynepankara’s comments). In one of his replies to her he says “OMG you don’t give a chance, done and we appologize.” In another he says “Done, sorry. I appologize, again, I ask from my authors to specify the source or to put a link to the text. Nobody needs to steal from you.” I think cnuk was right, after all.
(As for zeynepankara’s reaction to me, it’s just the same old story of some people being unable to handle disagreement. And if she thinks her comments were sensible, how comes she also thinks that by quoting them I “humiliated” her? Perhaps we should ask a psychologist…)
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Hi all!
Alright, I have written an elaborated piece and got deleted. So I’d put in a main argument here.
Copyright is mainly about 1. acertain the ownership, 2. the value derived, 3. fair use.
Now, there is no problem about this ownership in this case, there is no damages, and the owner is not the one to decide on fair use.
Anyway, copyright is still ‘maturing’ with the cyberspace development. I know how the feeling is lah~ How can there be theft when no ownership is removed, and when there is no value transfered illegally? Which is why I think Cnuk is not all wrong.
Scope.
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1.Hello Zeynep , I am the one who post this letter on http://jaynelsonmanela.wordpress.com . I didn’t steal anything … I specified the sources , I wrote your name and calification , and also I give link to your blog … I think that smb stole smth when he/ her didn’t say a word from the post … but in this case you are wrong , I want to specify that I am registered on yahoo and no have msn hotmail account to comunicate to you …. but as I said I specified everything regarded the post … You are wrong , I am sorry …but It’s up to you to think whatever you want …
2. Sorry but if i try to let a message on livespace is not working , I don’t have account there … right now when I search on google I found out that u have this blog here …. and now I can write to you … I repeat that I put everything that people understand that post is not written by me , I specified everything about you , proffesion, link … because I didnt have any connection to let u know … I am so sorry , pls try to understand I didn’t do deliberately
These are the 2 messages which I send to Zeynep Ankara … What do you think , when smb specify the source you can call him/her a thief ?????
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And also she didn’t understand that on the blog there are 2 different persons wich share … and write some articles…
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I create(activate) msn hotmail specially for you Zeynep … just in case … But for your records I use only Yahoo …
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Since zeynep said not to leave a comment here, you can leave a comment on her blog
http://zeynepankara.wordpress.com/
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