Feedback Thread for the Block Editor
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@halilic HTML is HTML. They can’t change the language. They are changing the tool that creates the HTML code. Your existing code will remain. They have no interest in changing it.
What is more likely is that the browser will change the way that it interprets code and break something, but that would be Mozilla or Google’s fault, not WordPress’s.
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@halilac, quote:
More serious, staff have not replied to my question: if they change the HTML would existing content be destroyed? A non-answer suggests that it would, and this is far more serious than the block editor which at least, they assure us, will not destroy existing content
Per staff-blorbo’ reply #3507914: (notice the bit I emboldened):
Content created in the Classic Editor or the Classic Block will always remain, even if the Classic Editor or Classic Block were fully discontinued.
WordPress at its- core
is an HTML editor, and content created in both the Classic Editor and Block Editor is still HTML content.
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Oh goodness, I messed up the quote, again:
Per staff-blorbo’ answer, notice bit I emboldened:
“Content created in the Classic Editor or the Classic Block will always remain, even if the Classic Editor or Classic Block were fully discontinued.
WordPress at its core is an HTML editor, and content created in both the Classic Editor and Block Editor is still HTML content.” -
To guitar and Mabel
HTML is HTML
Not exactly. There is HTML 4 and HTML 5 (and no doubt there have been 1, 2 and 3, and will soon be a 6). Standardisation is not as simple as one thinks — look at Unicode that has been standardised in several different standardisations! HTML 4 & 5 are not mutually compatible and cannot be mixed, some things used in 4 are no longer allowed in 5. They can change the language. I am no expert in this, but can see a possibility and would like an assurance from staff. The absence of one worries me.
There is also no reply to my other comment. I recall the old proverb You can take a horse to the water but you cannot make it drink.
Mabel you are not alone in messing up a quote. Whenever I use a genuine quotation mark, not the ditto sign, it comes out like ‘This’
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This time is didn’t, just to annoy me (?), but see my comment number #3505885 on 7/6 10.28 p.m.
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After some investigation I suspect that my post messed up because I tried emboldening the “WordPress at its core” and then additionally using “ul” to get “code” underlined (and perhaps also because of using the “quote” code). So I just skipped the underlining and used quotation marks, lest I botched a second comment….
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Just a question: when you “switch” to the Block Editor on one of your WP blogs, will that switch be then carried over to your other WP blogs? So that you return to your main blog, and you’ll find the Classic Editor has been replaced by the Block ? (And perhaps worse, you won’t be able to scramble back to safety?)
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Hey folks,
Steps to providing a link to a previous comment in the forums:
- Copy the link location.
- Create a link in a new post, using the “link” icon in the toolbar, inserting the link URL.
- Identify the link in the post and submit.
For example:
In @halilac’s previous post here, post #3505885 has the following URL
https://wordpress.com/forums/topic/feedback-thread-for-the-block-editor/page/6/#post-3505885
If you create a link to that URL it will look like this: #3505885. -
Just a question: when you “switch” to the Block Editor on one of your WP blogs, will that switch be then carried over to your other WP blogs?
In my tests on an older account (11+ years), “Edit” links default to the Block Editor or the Classic Editor independently on each site within the account. Either setting is possible on each site, and you can alternate back and forth between the two settings in a matter of seconds.
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Another note on citing earlier posts (comments) in a thread:
If a link isn’t included, giving the date and time is not as helpful as giving the page number and location within the page (top, middle, bottom), because the time and the date will vary according to time zone differences.
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@Musicdoc
1. In your reply to Mabel,In my tests on an older account (11+ years), “Edit” links default to the Block Editor or the Classic Editor independently on each site within the account. Either setting is possible on each site, and you can alternate back and forth between the two settings in a matter of seconds.
Thank you. I had worried about that as Mabel had, and was afraid to try the block, but I have a private site called ‘testing’ where I can now test it. (Incidentally on this site is a copy of every page on my other sites, so if anything goes wrong, as it has done, I can copy the HTML using copy-paste to restore it. A useful hint.)
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If a link isn’t included, giving the date and time is not as helpful as giving the page number and location within the page (top, middle, bottom), because the time and the date will vary according to time zone differences.
Yes, I realised about the page number and location just after I posted. I had not thought of the time variation, thank you for pointing it out.
@Writer 0001,the reason why that happened was probably because you used ` instead of ‘ (the second one is what you used in the second-to-last comment you posted). The first makes anything within the quotemarks into a ‘code’ format.
Thank you very much for explaining this. I will know in future. It does not happen in ordinary HTML.
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@musicdoc1, quote:
In my tests on an older account (11+ years), “Edit” links default to the Block Editor or the Classic Editor independently on each site within the account. Either setting is possible on each site, and you can alternate back and forth between the two settings in a matter of seconds.
Thank you for that clarification :)
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@STAFF, staff, staff
Please can I have a staff reply to what I have REPEATEDLY asked for:
1. If you change the HTML will that destroy existing comments?
2. Can you not leave the classic editor as the default and the block editor as an optional alternative? This would satisfy everyone except those who are determined to force the block editor down our throats. -
@halilac
If you open a separate, new support thread with your question, then add the tag ‘modlook’ (without the quotes) to it, then staff will be able to assist you.You will not alert the WordPress.com site’s staff by putting the @ symbol in front of the word ‘staff’. There is a site user with that name and it will just alert them instead.
Also, if you have ideas of how to make the site better, then the Support forum is not the place for it. Instead, post your ideas to the Ideas Forum, which is here:
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@vals
This thread is about the block editor. People have asked for the block editor to be abandoned, and I have put forward an alternative. I want a staff reply read by the commenters on this thread as it is relevant.
Someone asked if the new editor would delete existing context and was told by staff that it cannot ever be deleted because WP is based on HTML. I asked if changing the HTML (and I later explained to those who think it cannot be changed that it can) can delete existing context. Both of my points are relevant to this discussion and do not need a new thread. Staff have answered other comments, their obstinate refusal to answer this leads to unpleasant conclusions. -
@halilac
Maybe I can help you – I have no connection with WordPress – but I have been using it since the bad old days of very basic HTML.The HTML code that contains the information on your blog is code that is sent to your browser for the browser to interpret.
In the bad old days many browsers only supported limited sets of HTML so they became quite good at failing gracefully. and only implementing the code they could handle.
The short answer is – if the HTML code changes it is unlikely that WordPress will troll through millions of websites to update the code – it is much more likely that the HTML will be left for the user’s browser to resolve – as has been standard practice amongst web developers to cope with the variation of browser capability and HTML practice over the years.
Wordpress itself makes very little use of the HTML – other than to send it to the browser to interpret – HTML does, after all, stand for HyperText Markup Language.
I hope this helps you feel a little safer.
David
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@postal
Thank you very much for your explanation. If I have understood you correctly, WP are most unlikely to update to a newer HTML as to do this they would have to update millions of sites. In other words, changing to a new HTML would indeed destroy existing content and for that reason WP will never do it. They could have answered and told me this.There is the danger that with a change in HTML the browsers may mess things up, which of course is not the responsibility of WP. (Perhaps that is why Chrome, unlike Firefox, Opera and one other which had a different fault, messed up my sites so that I had to turn large tracts of text into images.) I now realise that I will have to check my sites from time to time on different browsers, and others are recommended to do so as well.
The other matter remains.
Thank you again. -
@valsrealife:
IMHO halilac’s question is entirely on topic since it pertains to Block Editor and possible changes to the HTML in the wake of switching to the Block Editor.
Then I also believe that staff welcomes suggestions re a solution for the issue Classic versus Block Editor, judging from their inclusion of this suggestion in their feedback:
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Continuing my post above: So this suggestion:
Jun 12, 2020 9:32 pm#3509325REPLY
themagicrobot
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Yes all we need is one more block. Call it the “writing a post” block where you can write as many words as you like, hit enter for a new paragraph as often as you like or hit enter twice to leave a double space and also be able to insert images. That would do for me as it wouldn’t interrupt my flow like the current block editor does.
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