Massive changes to the WP interface
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@designsimply – no, you are still referring to my first post, not my reply to your reply. So you didn’t see my reply… I’ll recap:
I well understand that total views is shown under the graph at the top of the now scroll-heavy long main page! What I’m pointing out is that it is now omitted in the MODULE for posts and pages, where it’s a no-brainer that it should be at the bottom of the column of totals for individual posts.
I have a lot of posts, and the old ones do not get “stale” (they are tutorials), I always have to click on “show all” to see the breakdown of their individual totals, and with the cumulative total missing, now I’m a whole page away and a scroll up to get back to that long-distant total I may not have noticed or may have forgotten before I clicked to see the breakdown…
I’m tired of recapping, will quote my previous reply to you on “history”:
I tried what you said to find history of views for a post, thanks. …<snip>… Now a history comes up with no graph! That graph was so easy to see where in the post’s history its views had dropped off or picked up, now I have to individually look at a little box for every day/ month/ (year?) and compare a bunch of numbers. This takes way to long to be worth it to figure out anything useful. PLEASE bring back the graph for this!!! Just today I noted in “old stats” (via that easy-to-read graph) that a link I added in Aug to a previous post has more than doubled its pageviews since then, really important feedback for me to know…
Maybe no one but me has noticed this yet, but it doesn’t mean it’s not a loss of functionality! Some things may not be checked daily in stats but are still extremely helpful to look at once in a while, and now they are gone…
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@designsimply: Please count me in as another user who wants a log out link in the hover bar on the main stats page. It is very annoying to have to click to another page to log out, and when I first encountered the “new” stats format, it took several minutes of searching to find the logout link. It is not logically placed at all.
It is also very annoying not to have the “do more”, “community”, “company” and “from our blogs” menus at the bottom of the new stats page. I have no idea where they are in the new design, which is yet another reason for me to use the old stats page.
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@designsimply, “Making changes based on feedback” is exactly what has gone wrong with WordPress. That should be an occasional response to a rare problem — or a big, strategic thing. It is no way to deal with a whole update. WordPress seems to work nowadays by improvisation, or trial and error, and users are getting tired of it.
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I understand perfectly what you are saying. We all know it, WP know it but like a good politician designsimply ignores the question and provides the company answer. It is so frustrating. The whole new design is a badly thought through and sloppily implemented change (I refuse to use the word upgrade because that implies improvement where this is absolutely none).
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You seem to have skipped over the questions of Dec 15, 2014, 9:14 AM. Of WP really believes it’s own statements, then the questions would be easy to answer.
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Commentators on the Daily Post, about this subject, don’t like it either.
When I entered the comment that there was 8 pages on the forum with a link, it was moderated out and the post closed for further comment.
Journalistic ethics, 0
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Or take a look at this post…
Especially take a look how many negative comments there are about the changes and how many people like the negative comments. I commented there too and get email notifications since days that people liked my critique.
Then check out the positive comments about the changes and see how many likes they got.
For me it clear. There seems to be quite a lot of people who dislike the changes.
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Here is another thread on the Forums about the “new” Stats page:
https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/stats-classics-how-to-set?replies=46No staff response since Dec. 12 at 8:24 AM, yet designsimply scolded me for commenting on this thread and that one.
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Thank you @diaryofdennis for adding the link. It was remiss me not to do so, as it is the post I was referring to. They shut it down, having removed my comment with a link to this thread. Outrageous.
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@graham Yea, this is not a nice way but I don’t wonder anymore. It’s just ignorance of the fact that many people dislike the changes. They can’t admit their failures. They didn’t even answer to most of the comments. They probably wish not to hear any more critique, I see no other reason to close the comments there.
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What I’m pointing out is that it is now omitted in the MODULE for posts and pages, where it’s a no-brainer that it should be at the bottom of the column of totals for individual posts.
Okay. Apologies if I misunderstood before. I haven’t seen very many requests for that, but I will note it in the feedback list.
I have a lot of posts, and the old ones do not get “stale” (they are tutorials), I always have to click on “show all” to see the breakdown of their individual totals, and with the cumulative total missing, now I’m a whole page away and a scroll up to get back to that long-distant total I may not have noticed or may have forgotten before I clicked to see the breakdown…
I think you are talking about the summary view in this case—which is what you see after clicking “View All” in the Posts & Pages box. This feedback seems to apply to both the old stats page and the new. Here is an example I found on a test blog after clicking on “Summaries” at the top right of the Posts & Pages box in the older stats design to get to a page with a URL like https://example.wordpress.com/wp-admin/index.php?page=stats&blog=1234&view=postviews&summarize&numdays=1 and here’s what I see: https://cloudup.com/ca52u3o-oej
I tried what you said to find history of views for a post, thanks. …<snip>… Now a history comes up with no graph! That graph was so easy to see where in the post’s history its views had dropped off or picked up, now I have to individually look at a little box for every day/ month/ (year?) and compare a bunch of numbers. This takes way to long to be worth it to figure out anything useful. PLEASE bring back the graph for this!!!
Stats for individual posts still have a graph when I check. You can see it at the top of pages like https://wordpress.com/stats/post/1234/example.wordpress.com and it looks like this to me when I test: https://cloudup.com/c9jj3Peqe4G
Apologies ahead of time if I still got any of the details wrong! I’m just trying to sort out which views you’re talking about.
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@designsimply thanks for hanging in there with us…
It looks to me like a lot of the unhappiness that is being expressed has to do with the mobile-first emphasis in the new UX, to the detriment of the desktop experience. I noticed that you commented in the blog yesterday:
The amount of mobile usage is a significant and growing percentage.
Three things came to mind:
- If the new UX drives desktop users away the “mobile is growing” number will skew artificially.
- As a web designer, one of my most important jobs is to be as inclusive as possible. For years we had to support Internet Explorer 6 because the user numbers were still too high to ignore. It wasn’t until average use fell below 3% (some designers went as low as 1%) that we could finally put dear old IE6 permanently to rest. I can’t imagine the numbers are anything like that low for desktop users, so full support for desktops is really the only right response.
- Related to #2: responsive design has made supporting a wide variety of devices much, much easier and more satisfactory for everyone. The new UX is only responsive for 1028px and below. The layout has zero advantage for desktops, and in fact has some real pain points such as loss of essential functionality and too much scrolling.
So saying “mobile use is significant and growing” doesn’t mean that it is OK to disdain & alienate your desktop-using customers.
What are the real numbers, mobile vs. desktop? More importantly, what are the numbers for publishers vs. readers?
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Thank you @adrienneadams.
Even if mobile use is growing as a way of reading WordPress, I find it difficult to believe that mobile users are doing *all* their site administration on their mobile devices. It is much easier to do administrative functions quickly and accurately on a larger screen. So even users who are doing some WP functions on their mobiles may prefer other WP functions – such as stats – to be designed for optimal use on a desktop or laptop.
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@designsimply
the new graph for an individual post in its history is a bar graph for the last 10 days. This is so minimal I didn’t even consider it a graph of true history. There used to be a graph shown for the post’s WHOLE history, 3 or 4 years for my oldest posts! I can’t see a trend anymore over the last several months, only over the last 10 days.I give up on explaining the other stuff to you… it’s clear you don’t / didn’t use the old stats page on a blog that had much history or many posts!
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I think you are talking about the summary view in this case—which is what you see after clicking “View All” in the Posts & Pages box. This feedback seems to apply to both the old stats page and the new. Here is an example I found on a test blog after clicking on “Summaries” at the top right of the Posts & Pages box in the older stats design to get to a page with a URL like https://example.wordpress.com/wp-admin/index.php?page=stats&blog=1234&view=postviews&summarize&numdays=1 and here’s what I see: https://cloudup.com/ca52u3o-oej
No. I am not talking about the summary view. “Show all” – (ok, sorry, this is really “VIEW all” in the new stats, and “Other Posts” in old stats) is NOT “summary view”.
The posts module in stats only lists 10 posts. At the BOTTOM of that module is a link for “other posts”(old stats) or “view all” (new stats). Clicking on that link takes me to an EXPANDED page showing that days clicks on each and every post and page. Here is my screen shot of the bottom of that page in the OLD format, clearly showing a (rather dismal!) total at the bottom.
No total is shown at the bottom of the equivalent page in new stats. Whew, this is a lot of explaining for a very simple thing!
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What are the real numbers, mobile vs. desktop? More importantly, what are the numbers for publishers vs. readers?
I am sorry but I don’t have exact numbers for you about those things.
So saying “mobile use is significant and growing” doesn’t mean that it is OK to disdain & alienate your desktop-using customers.
That was not the intention. Please also be aware that I am actively working to bring feedback posted here back to our developers. Several people have replied multiple times on this thread saying the same things, and I have tried to let you know that the feedback is being collected but also that changes will not be immediate and may take some time. Not every request will get implemented, but there are already plans to work on some key feedback items such as the summary tables, changing the graph so it shows more data by default, showing the countries graph on the main page, and other things. Hang in there! And thanks in advance for everyone’s patience—I can see that you care a great deal about the stats.
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screenshot, old stats history graph for a post (shows 3 years)
https://loopbraider.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/historygrapholdstats-3years.jpgscreenshot, new stats history graph for same post (only shows 10 days)
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@ingridcc, thanks for the screenshot. That looks like a summarized view to me. Here is a similar screenshot from my testing where I do not see the total: https://cloudup.com/cqy2F92hiCD
For reference, the URL source for my screenshot is https://wordpress.com/my-stats/?view=postviews&summarize&numdays=7&blog=3496&unit=1
So the older stats pages appear have a few inconsistencies which might be what is making it hard for me to track down what you’re talking about in some of the cases you’ve presented.
it’s clear you don’t / didn’t use the old stats page on a blog that had much history or many posts!
True. That is why user feedback and gathering answers to questions here in the forums is important. I can help research these issues if you bring them to my attention, and that’s what I have been doing here all along. I have been tracking the issues everyone is reporting and testing things and reporting back.
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