Massive changes to the WP interface
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the WordPress.com dashboard design which is being built and created over time.
It should be released in one go and properly. We want to get on with our work, not have these endless discussions.
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per above post, I’m not sure it is a question of a gradual release.. vs a tested overall build
I think it is more a question of a fundamental disagreement over the entire brain damaged nature of an instantly loathed new UI
somehow an image of the Island of Dr. Moreau comes to mind, with Charles Laughton beating back his “user base”:
“We are not animals!” — quoth they.
k sorry, time to go to work, despite the fun of lampooning WP. Have to meet those VC and raise another 100 mill or so. Yes series 1 money, whatever that means.
or is it that I actually have to work for a living, not nibble bytes and displace pixels over ever changing surfaces, and do not appreciate inelegant UIs circa 1998 being foisted upon me.
later, gators!
;-)
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@grahaminhats, I don’t have an answer for all of your questions. Regarding polls and contact forms in the editor, what I can do to help with that specific issue is to acknowledge that I have heard your feedback and let you know that I will look for trends in that type of feedback from others as well.
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@davidalockwood, thanks. I care a lot about the user experience here. I know that, in my role, I can help by being present and by being someone who cares about feedback and who will collect and report it after changes are made. When it comes to dislikes, constructive feedback is the most helpful thing—and I do my best to steer people toward talking that way, i.e. getting them to mention specifics about a feature or change and the reason behind why a particular changes isn’t liked. I would like to collect those, look for trends, and communicate that information back to developers in a way that is helpful and unbiased.
I don’t think negative feedback is a shock—my experience in life so far is that there will always be some people who are negative after any change. Sometimes negative feedback includes helpful details, and sometimes it doesn’t. What I can do to help is collect the useful feedback that gets mixed in and try to do my best to just be there for everyone else. :)
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that there will always be some people who are negative after any change.
Yes, but there is well-thought through change and shambolic change. I also salute your patience, having said that!
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PS Before I’m accused of repeating myself, I’m pulling out of this thread. Have had my say … hope it gets resolved.
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@davidderrick
Agreed!
I would like to be positive and be able to say how good the upgrade is but I just cannot. It is a mess from start to finish. Desktop users have been treated with complete contempt in the mad rush to change the product to a tablet trendy blogging platform.
Please WP listen to what we have to say without repeating yourself constantly and just quoting company scripts about how wonderful it is. -
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Since I could only find one post on this subject, I have published my own with a link to this forum. Concerned members might like to re-blog it or create their own to spread the word. We certainly need more voices.
The post is here:-
https://freedfromtime.wordpress.com/2014/12/18/recent-changes-to-wordpress-user-interface/
If anybody thinks to close this topic or moderate out the link, as was done by the Daily Post, they will be in violation of the forum’s code of conduct.
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…the WordPress.com dashboard design which is being built and created over time.
It should be released in one go and properly. We want to get on with our work, not have these endless discussions.
@davidderrick my thoughts exactly. WP.com’s tried-and-true method of pushing updates silently and frequently is completely ill-suited to introducing major changes to the user experience.
@kerin2014 thanks for the note about VC funding for Automattic. Matt talks about “how we can scale into the opportunity ahead of us…Our other main areas of focus have been improving mobile, a new version of WP.com…”
Once a small company built on creating community starts talking about “scal[ing] into the opportunity” its days as a community-focused company are numbered. Now they have bosses (VC $$) and that’s who they will answer to.
It is becoming clear in which direction Automattic is steering WordPress.com; and so go I, back to self-hosted WordPress. If you install Jetpack in Developer Mode you can gain many of the desirable features of WP.com without having your site attached to WP.com and “phone home.”
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As of today, my stats now defaults to the new, “improved” page.
I’ve filled out both surveys (the short one repeatedly)—are the results posted anywhere?
As others have said repeatedly, the backlash about the new design isn’t a rejection of change; rather, it’s frustration with a user interface that sacrifices features and function in favor of a new UI language.
To illustrate my point, I’m including links to screenshots of both iterations of the statistics page. It should be clear as to which one provides the most information in the most efficient manner.
It strikes me as odd that the design team would ostensibly create a “desktop” design that squanders the usability of ever increasing resolutions. The new UI remains, in my view, an implement a lightweight, mobile-inspired architecture.
I still have no plans to leave, but I wonder if WordPress, in the interest of “democratization,” shedding too much of its substance.
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It strikes me as odd that the design team would ostensibly create a “desktop” design that squanders the usability of ever increasing resolutions. The new UI remains, in my view, an implement a lightweight, mobile-inspired architecture.
This. But as you can see, we can discuss this further and further and they just shit on our opinion and force this downgrade on us. There is no reason to explain this, this is either wilfully designed by some mobile-hipsters or the developers have been forced to downgrade the site so that the investors see maximized profits with the now coming instragram and tumblr kids invasion.
Vorwärts immer, rückwerts nimmer…. Erich Honecker. Sorry, but fits so well to this forced update.
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We at Oceanwire blog wish to register with WordPress our very strong dislike of the new stats page. It is so much less usable than the current (i.e. “old”) one.
You can’t see everything at once — why should we have to scroll down and down and down and down to see everything that we used to be able to see in one screen?
What’s so “improved” about this? Nothing. It’s worse.
We urge WordPress to keep the “old” stats page view – for everyone, or at least as an option for those of us who prefer usability over some whiz-bang redesign that makes no sense and makes it user-unfriendly.
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You can’t see everything at once — why should we have to scroll down and down and down and down to see everything that we used to be able to see in one screen?
@Oceancast: Right! Exactly!
In any creative direction I took during my life, we were always taught: keep the oversight! Don’t scatter related elements!What schools did the web designers who designed the new stats page visit?
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First it was the beep-bleep-bling thing, which despite the huge backlash it got from the bloggers, it stuck with us albeit with a small “revert to the old editor” link which is cookie-dependent.
Now it’s the new stats page which is optimized for mobile phones. I guess the wiz kids over at wordpress haven’t learned at the coding school about the HTTP referrer feature of the modern browsers. If they had, they would redirect only the mobile traffic to the new stats page.
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I guess the wiz kids over at wordpress haven't learned at the coding school about the HTTP referrer feature of the modern browsers. If they had, they would redirect only the mobile traffic to the new stats page.That is an excellent point. The developers do seem well behind the times and generally under qualified.
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It’s the failure to communicate properly that annoys me as much as anything else. The Notifications changed a few days ago, then changed back, and have now changed again. All kinds of functionality has been removed from what was already a fairly basic system, and not a word to say this will be happening or why. I’d think a company that is basically a host to enable communication would be better at it. Perhaps it would be worth sourcing a course or two…
Please note: constantly telling people that you’ll be ignoring their views and wishes doesn’t really count as adequate customer communication however politely phrased – as you did to my last comment, when you implied that not enough people were complaining – several days on, it appears more people are complaining and I don’t see heaps of people chiming in with praise. I can only assume that the decision not to make the results of the poll public suggests the response was pretty negative. And calling downgrades upgrades isn’t just a failure of communication, it’s deliberately misleading and untrue.
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I’m doing my best to collect specific, constructive feedback from different voices here. You don’t need to repeat the same feedback if you have already reported it here before already because I have already recorded it if you have. If you’d like to keep discussing it, that’s okay too, but I can’t promise a specific timeline for updates because I don’t have that information. What I can tell you is what I know, and that is that some updates are already being worked on based on some of the feedback from the poll and from this thread. Not every suggestion will get implemented, and new changes will take some time. In the mean time, you can access the previous stats design by going to Dashboard > Site Stats in the left-side menu in the classic dashboard any time.
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There appears to be a contradiction between these two entries. Please clarify.
Dec 12, 2014, 10:52 PM: @timetheif, put away the kleenex! The classic dashboard is staying. :)Dec 17, 2014, 2:19 PM: I don't have an answer for every single question. I know it was a design decision to fit with the rest of the WordPress.com dashboard design which is being built and created over time. -
I think one was about the WP Admin pages (classic dashboard) and the other was about the WordPress.com dashboard.
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I was also under the impression that we’d be able to retain access to the classic dashboard, yet several recent posts seem to indicate that we’re going to move toward the inefficient, single-column, tumblresque UI we’re seeing on the stats page.
For those of you seeking to access the usable stats—which are no longer available by clicking directly on the site-view graph on the top of the page—you can use the ironically titled “Stats Upgraded” message above the visitor graph, the “Visit old stats page” at the bottom of the site, or, as designsimply points out, by accessing the stats from the old dashboard.
I think I speak for many of us here when I say that if this is a preview of what’s ahead, a mobile-inspired interface that requires more clicking and scrolling while offering fewer features, then I dread WP.com’s new direction.
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