OpenID Consumer and Server
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Yes, I’m bringing this up again.
In light of Microsoft’s pledge and AOL’s support, I think it’s time that WordPress (at the very least, Matt) re-evaluates ‘the battlegrounds of web identity’.
Back in 2005 I originally pitched the idea to Matt about the built in support of OpenID, if nothing else in the form of a consumer. (wp-hackers thread)
(An OpenID consumer is a website that supports authenticating OpenID users/identities, and allowing them specific privileged access on that site. Ideally, something more than run-of-the-mill anonymous visitors.
LiveJournal is an OpenID consumer when you comment on a blog using an OpenID login. Jyte is a consumer ONLY, as it only allows users access after logging in via an OpenID identity.)This idea is already listed in wp.org’s Extend -> Ideas request page, asking only for the ability to consume OpenIDs on a particular user’s WP installation. ( http://wordpress.org/extend/ideas/topic.php?id=40 )
I would like to see WordPress.com open up to other networks by allowing any OpenID user to come participate without having to jump through hoops. By logging in via OpenID and commenting, they also become an identifiable user, and not just be ‘yet another anonymous visitor’.
However, wordpress.com should go one step further. Considering that all blogs are an easy URI, wordpress.com should become an OpenID SERVER, and provide identities for all it’s users, for use on other sites (like LiveJournal, like Jyte, and for all the past, present, and future OpenID supporting sites).
Matt, donncha, Andy, and all the other development folks whose names I don’t remember (sorry! :( ), I would REALLY like to see this occur. This would not only be beautiful for adoption on a grand scale, but considering you do non-wordpress.com domain hosting as well, and can have multiple users per blog, this goes only FURTHER.
Matt could use an OpenID of wordpress.com/matt , or he can delegate it out to photomatt.net (or the other way around).
The possibilities are endless, and filling out one form, clicking 2 buttons (one to submit your identity to the site you’re visiting, one to approve that the site can pull your information from your identity server) is so much easier than ANY other non-anonymous registration form out there.
Not to mention that socially networked profile information is so very largely expandable when everyone has ONE location for ‘an identity’ and not tens or hundreds.
I see that OpenID has been mentioned before, but only in passing. Never seriously discussed.
I, and now hundreds (if not thousands) of other users would LOVE to see this happen.
Federation is a good thing. Don’t be an islander like MySpace… -
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This is a giant step for WordPressKind. Mark, thanks for the signposts. They seem to point to WordPress.com providing an OpenID, but not (yet) being a consumer. Is that correct?
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To answer my own question, it does indeed seem that WordPress.com is now an OpenID producer, but not an OpenID consumer.
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The original thread is found here https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic.php?id=63&page&replies=19
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perhaps Matt, has got tired to remember his password and log in to LJ each time someone mentions keyword ‘WordPress’ out there ;-)
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I figured I’d update this with something I’ve been seeing.
People seem to want WordPress to be a Consumer in the manner of letting them log in and manage their blogs with an OpenID.
This would be nice, but it’s a BIG second step.
I would much rather SOONER see WordPress consume OpenIDs for visitor comments.I left a comment on one of the many posts talking about this, stating that “I would sooner rather the ability to have my LiveJournal friends come comment with a set identity, and not HAVE to sign up for a WordPress.com account.”
This isn’t just LiveJournal either. LJ, MyOpenID, vIdentity. I sooner want to see OpenID commenters.
FWIW, LiveJournal’s integration lets you sign in / up with an openid, and have a friends list, but not a blog nor their gallery software stuff.This is a totally acceptible solution, to me, for now. (Ideally I do want to see it expanded to OpenID based accounts everywhere, if not using a wordpress.com provided one, but I understand that that would create the need for a massive overhaul in the WordPress users/roles system.)
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“OpenID: Too many providers, not enough consumers“
by Nik Cubrilovic (Omnidrive founder and CEO)ficlets: Sign In Using Your WordPress.com OpenID
ps why bbpress stripes ‘target’ attribute from ‘A’ element?
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I agree with Jason that OpenID for comments would be useful. In fact, I’ve just made a similar point in a comment at that well-know WP blog, Freakonomics:
http://www.freakonomics.com/blog/2007/03/15/who-comments-on-blogs-and-why/#comment-84123
I support options’ mention of ficlets, which has much going for it besides being an OpenID consumer. I intend to blog about ficlets at some point today.
By the way, is there a list of OpenID consumers? There is a list of providers:
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Thanks, o… have tagged the wiki openid, consumer, at delicious… which doesn’t (yet?) take OpenID.
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it seems like federation arguments (comments from LJ etc) don’t sound too convincing for the PTB, at least my rash titles and polite comments hasn’t persuaded Matt to take part in the OpenID RP game ;-)if you have any further ideas, welcome to this discussion.
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Andrew,
There is also http://www.openiddirectory.com
I believe that lists any support, not just consumers, not just providers.
Might be classified though, check it out :-).options,
target attr is probably stripped because it’s deprecated in XHTML 1… .0? .1? One of those.
Also, I’d suggest using the openid.net wiki ( http://openid.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page ) because it was agreed to move off LifeWiki some time ago.
Besides, MediaWiki is sexy <3.
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I think it’s pretty weird that WP would give me an openID to use elsewhere, but not accept openID where I believe it’s most needed: comments. openID is supposed to enable a user/website to identify him/her/itself without signing up for an account at every site they contribute to, which is especially useful for sites they don’t use natively or regularly. Commenting is the primary situation for this necessity.
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Perhaps you would like to share your idea with staff http://wordpress.com/contact-support/
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Yes, this is a good idea.
I have several friends with blogs at LJ. I can comment on theirs using my OpenID (although it insists on calling me ‘kimik0.wordpress.com’ instead of just ‘Kimiko’), but when commenting on mine they have the same anonymous avatar placeholder as any random visitor.
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I did right after I posted that. Joseph just replied, saying:
I’m not aware of plans at this time to support OpenID beyond what we’ve already done.
Sounds like a ‘No’ to me :(
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