Permanently Removing My Blog From Alpha Inventions
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@alphainventions: You are running a service which you expect to grow and become more successful (and for which you expect some people to pay you). You have been told her by multiple people that they don’t want to be included in your service. You have offered a solution which seems likely to harm the search rankings of anyone using it.
Here’s the point – if you expect to continue your service (or succeed in any business), you will need to learn to listen to what people are telling you. It wouldn’t be difficult for you to: (a) change your service so it only shows blogs that have asked to be included, or (b) provide a reasonable way to let bloggers opt-out (i.e., add themselves to a list) and filter those blogs against that list. If you don’t do that, what do you think I will say to people about yoru service when they ask?
@teck07: I hope you’re listening….
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@alphainventions
I hereby second what “whenpandasattack” just posted above.
(a) change your service so it only shows blogs that have asked to be included, or
(b) provide a reasonable way to let bloggers opt-out (i.e., add themselves to a list) and filter those blogs against that list. -
There is no possible way alphainventions.com can harm your search engine rankings. This is a 100% false statement. I’m sure Google, Yahoo, Msn, or any search engine will not respond to the text “nonpublic” this is a phrase that will only cause a reaction in my software, and not with the other guys.
I suggest not making statements on subjects you are not familiar with.
I would never assume why pandas attack people, because I’m not aware of their natural behavior.
I’m known for responding, and acting on feedback. This is not a business , this is a free public networking tool.
If they could add themselves to a list to be removed, then that means they could add other blogs that may be competition to the list as well. Adding the text “nonpublic” in small font will ensure everyone else who wants to remain on alphainventions.com their safety and will not affect your grade A rankings.
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And how do you suppose one is to add “nonpubilc” at the bottom of their blog journal, when the fixed template does not allow any type of customization?
I hope you don’t mean to add it to a widget, … or to a post within the blog!
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In fact you can customize the template with paid wordpress.com services. You can also host your own template if you own a domain & server of your own.
I am in no way implementing that people who use free services should not state their opinions about alphainventions.com
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@teck07: I hope you’re listening….
@whenpandasattack
Yep i’m in the back ground listening from time to time.Adding the wording “nonpubilc” is not a sufficient way for webmasters
to have their site not picked up by your services on top of that it’s
not right to ask a webmasters to add this text when they never asked
to be include on your site in the first place this should fall back on
you with you coming up with a solution & implementing the solution. in
the long run it will help you maintain a good reputation with with your
service for your “Alpha Inventions” site.P.s. I’m NOT “FOR” or “AGAINST” “Alpha Inventions” in any way
just hoping for a better solution for the webmasters that decide to be included
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Oops that was sup post to read
Original
P.s. I’m NOT “FOR” or “AGAINST” “Alpha Inventions” in any way
just hoping for a better solution for the webmasters that decide to be included
through your service.Revised (edited)
P.s. I’m NOT “FOR” or “AGAINST” “Alpha Inventions” in any way
just hoping for a better solution for the webmasters that decide not to be included
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Jesus Christ.
When you publish your blog, you show up on Google, Yahoo, Msn, Icerocket, Weblogs and many other platforms without your permission.
You didn’t ask to be featured on Google and others, but you are. Their software even allows you to block their detection by adding a nofollow meta tag to the your code. Since you can’t edit your blogging template in most cases because you don’t pay for premium services or host your own blog code, I provided an easier way to opt out.
Good job to those who understand.
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I asked about users wanting to block alphainventions back in November. Your reply was:
“I’ll be sure to inform them that they can’t stop pings, and I will
provide a way for them to be blocked a.s.a.p.”I have to say that adding ‘nonpublic’ is a terrible way of doing this. You can do this and you should let people just enter a url. If people start blocking other blogs then that becomes a problem for you and the fact that someone may or may not do this should not hurt others.
You state about that nothing you can do can hurt Google and others so if someone adds someone else’s blog then no harm will come to that blog. Those that want to be added and will be checking are your target audience. It is they you should be looking to assist instead of fighting people who simply want to withdraw from your service. The ‘why’ they do does not matter – the fact is they do and I certainly think you should respect that.It is perfectly possible and very easy to do this.
Think of it this way – for as long as you do not allow people to opt out this thread will never die. The noise will continue as will the blog posts which you may not wish. But if you do let people opt out and when they check they find this to be true then this thread goes positive. Everybody gets happy. Happy is good :)
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Mark You are right, and I do want this to end, so we can go back to happy happy land, so by Monday or Tuesday, I will have an alternate way for bloggers to opt out. If the bloggers start to block others blogs then that is my problem, and I shouldn’t be scared to face it.
You heard it from the wordpress.com staff, and that’s it. You won.
We all won.
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This is interesting, Alpha Inventions.
I believe the concept you have is good, the way you’re implementing it, not so much (based on how I guess you do this).
My guess is that you feed your software from services such as “pingomatic.com” or “weblogs.com”.
Sure, you’re services may not harm anyone, but let those who want to use it to subscribe to it. The first time I heard of your site, I had the idea that for anyone to be listed should submit their blog. It seems is not like that (anymore?).
You may be trying to benefit people by presenting their blogs to others who are, as you said, “close minded” and don’t know what else to look for. Now, to call someone “close minded” just because they don’t know what else to search for is, with all due respect, being closed minded since you’re not taking into consideration what reasons they have for not expanding their search preferences (be it because their just ignorant, or simply because they’ve chosen not search for anything else but what it really interest them.
In another thread you said that if you made it so people would opt-out, then ill intentioned people would take advantage of it by adding to the opt-out list sites/blogs that are not theirs. If you did have a subscription based service, that wouldn’t be an issue. Why? because, being a member, I’d just login and remove my site/blog from your list, and as a security measure, you’d send an email to the registered email address prompting the user to confirm the deletion of his/her blog/site. Simple.
Think that people who are annoyed by this, might think your service works somehow like spam does. Why? because you “harvest” blog addresses from sites like I mentioned above, but instead of serving something “new” to the owners of those sites/blogs, you serve it to others in hopes they will be exposed to that something new. Spammers, harvest email addresses from blogs, forums and offer their junk to the owners of those addresses in hope they’ll be enticed to buy that something “different.”
Your software lists people’s blogs and display them for 5 seconds to others who you want to expose to something “new” (I believe you call this random stimulation). You don’t see nothing wrong with that, but just because all is fine an dandy to you, it doesn’t mean others will see it that way. There are many people who are fine with what you do, but there are many who aren’t.
If I get a “hit” from AI. First thing I will ask myself is how did my blog get listed there? I never subscribed to it. My stats will not be “real” because my blog is being “exposed” to others for 5 seconds. That’d make my bouncing rate really high and I wouldn’t want that. A real hit, to me, is when someone spends more than 30 seconds in me site.
If you’d provide a way for people to willingly subscribe to your service, it’d be easy for you to filter those who don’t want to appear anymore without having them to add a “nonpublic” in their site/blog. I think you want your service to work the same way search engines do when they find a robots.txt file.
I’m not challenging you, I’m not dissing you. I think you’re service is an interesting one. I’m just giving you my opinion on how you can make your service good for those who really want it, and keep away those who don’t – which in turn would make your service more robust. Think of services like bloglines, or mybloglog; they will list blogs of those who willingly have added them to their DB. You could do the same.
My two cents.
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I need to type faster…
I see you’re gonna do something to let people opt-out. Feel free to ignore my post if you want.
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devblog It’s ok. I just came from brushing my hair in the bathroom, and came up with an easy way to block those who want to be blocked. The places I come up with ideas are crazy. It should be done by mon or tue.
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What a storm in a teacup! I can’t believe people were even offering Alphainventions guy ‘business advice’. Having some referrals or no referrals from Alphainventions makes no difference to your readership from other quarters and you never get to see it in action anyway unless you pop over. I have actually had people email me who were referred from Alphainventions, so that 5 seconds (actually more like 10 or so) must work.
You can find out if people are stealing your content in other ways, and frankly I don’t think Alphainventions is stealing anything.It’s just a different way to see content instead of searching manually through a blog catalogue.Some folks are paranoid.
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Once again, … as far as I can tell, … AI is not hurting anything or anyone, and is a interesting concept.
The only thoughts that I had was the “options” that were not available to the owners of the blog journals.
Now AI says there will be.
That’s cool, and shows me something about the guy.Thanks AI !
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Hey Guys I am sorry for not being considered enough to notice how much it means to have your blog removed from alphainventions.com
macroartinnature from what you wrote I see that you are not so bad yourself.
I took out a few hours to give you all what you want. Just visit alphainventions.com/block to block your site from being read via live updates.
I tested it out on some live blogs, and it worked like a charm. I’ve never been so happy that blogs can be blocked this easily. I should have did this months ago. Now I have to email all those guys who requested to be blocked. This is the life of coding.
To un-block your blog just notify readers about it on the homepage. Now I feel like fixin’ somethin’ else.
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@imarxists: If you had seen my posts on earlier discussions about Alpha Inventions, you would know that I’m not concerned about people “stealing” my content, though I’m glad that alphainventions is planning to find a better way for people to opt-out of his service. I’ll repeat the suggestion that an opt-in service would be better (for many reasons) but I don’t expect that advice to be followed either.
@alphainventions: Thanks for reconsidering, and the best of luck with your business.
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Yaaaaay! Mark from the wordpress.com staff was right. It’s better to give people exactly what they want. I’m going to keep it up.
whenpandasattack I’m not going to ignore your suggestions. I’ve been used as a good example today (don’t hold your breath tho).
Good job for pressing your opinions into results. You are still welcome to let people know when pandas attack humans via alphainventions.com anytime.
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@all: Look people~ There is NOTHING legally wrong with Alpha. I have read through all these arguments, I am sharing my personal view on this. Yahoo, Google, and even Baidu, yes~ you know they are search engines, they use robotx to have the results shown. And here, Cheru is just having his own version of ‘search engine’ but displaying the blog pages instead of links.
Now if you tell me Alpha is making money because of your contents, then why don’t you guys and gals sue Googles for their links and pages caches? Hopefully, none of you are from any search engines trying to fight competition.
There is no need be particular at Alpha when the whole point is, even ping sites such technorati will display a part of your blog (albeit it’s really very small to read). It’s just a varied service done in the same goal but in a varied optional way to you. And you can choose to pay or not, as you can choose to pay to yahoo to further advertise or have your links top the rest.
But I do agree that we shouldn’t need to label our post as private. But I think if people don’t want their blogs or postings appearing them, simply email or comment to Alpha the links.
And of course, it’s a business model which is as the other search engines plus ping sites which are almost all capitalising on your contents. I just can’t buy the idea that people condemns ONLY Alpha for using their contents to make money when are you trying to tell us that Yahoo and Feedster and Googles doesn’t make money on your contents? You mean when you search ‘You’ in Googles image, you won’t see anything?
Come on! You even have individual bloggers who introduce sites and images of others in their blogs! This is LEGAL as long as you do not claim those contents to be your efforts in production. It’s only illegal when you introduce other people’s contents as your own work. If it is not legal, Yahoo would have been sued ages back.
From what I see, our Cheru has been pretty candid and open with Alpha. I hope as a WordPress community, all of us can be more understanding to avoid such unnecessary conflicts.
I have said, WordPress blog pings ping sites for us <b>as a service</b>, Alpha ‘markets’ our blogs for us as a service as well. None of you are forced so far to pay Cheru, are you？ Either way, our blogs got ‘marketed’. So all you need to do is that if you do not wish Alpha to mention your blog, just email him as you’d click on ‘private setting’ in WordPress.
I am not a partner of Alpha, I am just offering a my 2 cts.
@Cheru: I think you may like to suggest WordPress provides that button in ‘privacy option’ setup page for Alpha as well. Competitions can be pretty ugly, and it’s useless if you try to explain… because when people see you are snatching market and controls from them, some would resort to anything, and do you waste time trying to explain? Just take the feedback, know what is right or wrong, and improve.
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