Please Reinstate the Option of Choice to Use the Old Publishing Format
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@tpenguinltg This is just a public thank you to you for your user script. It was an easy install with Tampermonkey.
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@windwhistle:
Cookies have an expiry date. The default is usually two weeks, but it can be set, and I think it was one month for this particular cookie. -
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@jeremeylduvall – what I find particularly distasteful is the hijacking of links that I once used easily; for example, the EDIT link that appears in a published post that once lead directly to my Classic Post Editor now brings me to the New Editor, which now includes extra-added aggravation since it is no longer possible to go from the New Editor back to the Classic Editor.
Want to write a New Post? If you want to use the Classic Editor, make sure you don’t hit the pencil icon in the Admin Bar! Or the link to Add a New Post in the drop down menu! Or Add a New Post in the drop down menu while onsite!
Mobile for Mobile-Desktop for Desktop. Let me choose. Don’t choose for me where I want to go and how I want to write my posts. Telling people to bookmark the link to the Classic Editor is a Band-aid approach.
Hugely tired of banging my head against the wall on this issue. Hugely tired.
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@jeremeylduvall
Happiness Engineer
Mar 17, 2015, 1:12 PMI would like to answer each question in detail, but other WordPress members and volunteers have done so in this thread and in every other discussion on this topic since the shift to the new editor. Why repeat what they have expressed so articulately?
I cannot possibly work at my best level of productivity using your suggested workarounds for each article.
I have to repeat the workaround with each post, which is absurd.
That link to the Classic mode does not apply to an entire session (at least not in Firefox). It has to be repeated for each article!
When you have an article tacked to the main page that is updated daily, unless I go through the elaborate, convoluted, workarounds of entering the title of the post in the classic editor (once I finally get there! ), I get the imbecilic new format, which is beyond annoying.
I said originally that I would be content as long as WordPress does not remove the Classic editor, but after reading the numerous detailed and informative comments and appeals to WordPress in this thread, I join with all the members of this community who have commented here and the thousands who have been commenting for several months, in demanding that WordPress either switch back to the Classic editor and abandon the ludicrous and nonsensical “Beep Beep Boop” ( which can only appeal to teens or blogging novices, but is an insult to journalists and serious, experienced publishers!) or retain the default button which places us in the Classic mode immediately.
I really appreciated your comments and when you mentioned this:
Our feedback in multple forum threads produces no positive results so are we conclude that these mysterious “developers” are working under orders from TPTB, and that TPTB are issuing orders to them based on the agendas of their investors?
Yes. And this brings me back to my original comments on this thread regarding the hidden agenda.
Our data and metadata are being harvested and they are worth more than ad revenue generated by traffic to our websites.
If WordPress are not listening, it has to be because the new format is more advantageous and profitable for them and their investors.
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@tpenguinltg
I tweeted a link to your post. Thanks for doing this.Me too (for users who speak Spanish).
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The investors have nothing to do with the Blue Death Editor – they are probably an influence on the bend over pricing with only the bundles available and forcing people to buy junk they don’t want and cant’ use
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@ jeremeyduvall,
If you find yourself continuously switching back to the Classic Editor, we would love to hear what particular features you’re missing in the New Editor!
Poorly framed question. It should be
When you are forced by WP to continually switch back to the Classic Editor, how many times per hour of this nonsense does it take before you start cursing at the designers of this folly?
The questions WP should ask itself include:
1. Why must we force people to go to an optional page that they do not want or need?
2. Why don’t we allow them to choose which editor they prefer?
3. Couldn’t we leave well enough alone?
4. Isn’t there a way to direct the user to preferred editor based upon the user’s preference as demonstrated by usage history? That is, if the user chooses to use the classic editor 99 times out of 100, shouldn’t that be the destination of the edit link on a visible post?
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@ jeremeyduvall,
If just a glance at that new editor wasn’t enough to deter me from ever using it, having read several hundred separate complaints in this forum regarding disappearance of posts published on the “new improved” editor has convinced me to stay away from that thing. You can drag a man to a cesspool, but you can not make him drink.If you must have another reason, then let’s see…the lack of an admin bar is a pretty striking omission. That’s like selling a car without a steering wheel.
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If you must have another reason, then let’s see…the lack of an admin bar is a pretty striking omission. That’s like selling a car without a steering wheel.
I have to say I would be inclined to, in fact bat the question back, and ask why would I use the new editor. What does it offer me, that the classic does not, that I need?
This is what puzzles me most. Why? When the classic is so damned great..
Appears to me, it offers nothing more than looking sexier and altogether more Jazzy Jeff.
All fur coat and no knickers.
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@jeremylduvall
The WordPress app is much like the new editor, but even more dumbed down. The page looks simple and clean thus lacks the up front information right in my face that I like to have. As I said before I was not a long time user as the new editor came out within a week or two of me setting up my blog. I tried all three…the app, the new editor and the classic. The classic was the most user friendly, easiest to navigate, easiest to understand and easiest to use from my iPad, and I’ve even used it to post occasionaly from the iPhone and it was easier there as well. In my beginning I had no allegiance to the classic since all three were availble in my learning phase, so it is a personal preference that I find the classic a superior posting and editing experience.
If the classic editor is not going away, like you say, why can we not have the simple one button back that we once had to switch to it? Life was easier than clicking so many buttons to get there.
I feel that ease of use and personal preference of your bloggers should count for something. -
For clarity, WHAT I DO NOT LIKE ABOUT THE NEW EDITOR (all that I came up with in 10 minutes):
1. “Beep beep boop” at the beginning (it takes 4-5 seconds just to GET to the edit page; the classic is almost immediate)
2. Lack of contrast between text and background (aka HARD TO READ), especially on left side (unless you like light blue on slightly lighter blue).
3. VERY difficult to QUICKLY find stuff (categories, etc.)
4. NO LEFT SIDE MENU BAR for common blog items
5. Because of 4, it is a MUCH GREATER PAIN TO NAVIGATE around the blog admin
6. No “Screen Options” menu (anywhere that I can find).
and of course…
7. NO OPTION TO “GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE” BACK TO THE CLASSIC MODE (aka, no classic mode link)Just give us a tick box (or something somewhere) where we may select to always get the Classic (or New) mode if that’s what we like.
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@ kauilapele,
Excellent summary of some of the major defects of the new editor. I agree with each point. Even the access lag presented as your first point was enough to scare me away from the beginning, and remains so. Why, when almost everybody is seeking speedier navigation on the web, would anyone choose to use an optional editor which takes ten times longer just to reach, offers nothing that is is absent in the present standard editor, and is missing 90% of the functionality due to the absence of screen options and the sidebar admin menu?Other issues: I’ve been unable to find revisions on the new editor. I presume the revisions are there. Are they hidden? Also, I found no password protected option among the visibility options.
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@musicdoc1
No idea about revisions, since I’ve no attraction to the new one. Only thing I noticed was that now the new one takes up the right side, before was more on the left, with a reconnect link to the Classic on the right. -
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I also want the classic editor back.
DEAR WORDPRESS
Give us the classic editor back.
It is one of the reasons I used to promote WP. I have stopped that, due to the changes you have made. -
@jeremeylduvall or any other staff
If you find yourself continuously switching back to the Classic Editor, we would love to hear what particular features you’re missing in the New Editor!
Let me link to a thread I had titled: New Editor – Awkward location of “Trash/Preview/Save Draft/Publish to” buttons
A staff did respond, but I later wrote a follow-up feedback, and I am not sure if it got noticed or not.Here’s an excerpt from that follow-up feedback, of some inconsistencies in the New Editor:
To continue of the topic of Change Status and the buttons, but this time, in the case of a published post. Why having:
– Save Draft and Update buttons? Aren’t the two pretty much the same? In Classic mode, only Update was available once the post was published, which was less confusing and made the interface more streamlined. Whatever the difference is, the subtlety of it evades me on this one.
– if I select Draft as the status, I get Revert to Draft and Save Draft buttons, which really isn’t indicative of what they mean/do (especially for a published post). (Oh okay, after re-reading myself, I think I get it, and think that what’s meant here is Revert to Draft and Update, is that right?)As for the “Publish to/Submit Review/Schedule on/Revert to Draft” buttons, it feels as if this should be dealt within the Change Status box. As it is right now, it is not the most ergonomic to click an option in Change Status, and have to check for the changed button somewhere else. Especially, now that the settings column has switched to the left of the screen, the two (Change Status and the blue button) are now on complete opposite side of the screen.
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Hi all,
Previously, a user had commented that they believed the link to the Classic Editor was coming back. This is not the case. The Classic Editor will continue to exist in wp-admin (we have no plans to remove it). However, a link to the Classic Editor will not return to the New Editor.
Please see below for individual items:
Bottom line: If there is any possibility of NUKING the new editor and sending into cyber-history forevermore do it and I will sing an Aria for you that will shatter wine glasses.
We have no plans to remove the New Editor.
Forcing me back into or through the Beep Beep Baloney editor in order to get to the classic editor that WordPress PROMISED would not be removed is a terrible violation of that promise
As you’ve probably seen/know, the Classic Editor exists at http://yoursiteURL.wordpress.com/wp-admin. It has not been removed.
if you want to impress me with how spiffy and improved and professional the new editor is, get rid of the damn Beep Beep Boop screen!
When we originally launched the New Editor, we received several comments as such. Then, we removed it only to receive even more feedback to bring the “Beep, Beep, Boop” messaging back. Hence, the messaging returned.
The hanging progress bar at the top of the page, whereby the the page/post is neither saved/published nor editable? – the only option to be the refresh of the page and the loss of the content?
Does this happen every time you use the New Editor (can you try to post a test page for example)?
I have to say I would be inclined to, in fact bat the question back, and ask why would I use the new editor. What does it offer me, that the classic does not, that I need?
The New Editor brings better visual parity with the rest of WordPress.com and the ability to manage multiple sites quickly and easily (ref).
the lack of an admin bar is a pretty striking omission.
To be clear, the Admin bar was not omitted. You can see it at the top of the page here:
However, the Admin bar now matches the one you see across WordPress.com rather than the one present at wp-admin.
I’ve been unable to find revisions on the new editor. I presume the revisions are there. Are they hidden?
Revisions will not be included in the New Editor. Could you let us know how often you find yourself using revisions and the circumstance that causes you to revert to a revision? Personally, I rarely find myself using post revisions.
Also, I found no password protected option among the visibility
Under Advanced Settings -> Visibility, you should have the option as shown here:
The page looks simple and clean thus lacks the up front information right in my face that I like to have.
Thanks for clarifying! Could you list some specifics about the “up front information”?
@kauilapele
“Beep beep boop” at the beginning (it takes 4-5 seconds just to GET to the edit page; the classic is almost immediate)
Just to clarify, you’re talking about load time, not time to click to the editor. Is that correct? We’re continuously pushing out performance improvements that should get the load time down to 2-3 seconds. We’ll keep trying to get this down as much as possible.
Lack of contrast between text and background (aka HARD TO READ), especially on left side (unless you like light blue on slightly lighter blue).
Thanks for bringing this up! I don’t have a great answer right now, but let me bring this back as some feedback.
VERY difficult to QUICKLY find stuff (categories, etc.)
Do you think this could be due to the fact that the editor is new? For example, the Tags & Categories module is clearly labeled here:
Do you find yourself looking for things in the same places they exist in the wp-admin editor or do you feel like the labels could be improved?
NO LEFT SIDE MENU BAR for common blog items
Could you please elaborate on “Common Blog Items”?
No “Screen Options” menu (anywhere that I can find).
What are you using the “Screen Options” menu to do? You’re correct – there is no Screen Options menu in the New Editor.
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