Please Reinstate the Option of Choice to Use the Old Publishing Format
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I can’t believe some members are colluding with the WordPress agenda by insisting we download grease monkey and configure script in our browser so we can access the classic editor!
What the hell’s the point of asking that the switch button (aka direct link to the CE) be reinstated if you’re now repeating over and over again that grease monkey is better?
WordPress, reinstate the choice to fast access by putting back the button.
Really, what have you got to lose by doing the right thing?
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Really, what have you got to lose by doing the right thing?
Maybe aside from losing face, what they have to lose is the opportunity to promote the new editor, without providing a link to the classic editor, so that new bloggers will not know that the classic editor exists.
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The rationale behind the WP agenda is all theory, totally out of touch with reality.
If I hadn’t been here for over 5 years and had just opened a new website today, I’d shut it down after the first few hours of testing the frustrating product and wouldn’t recommend it to anyone.
It was the unique editing platform that attracted me to WP and kept me here and led me to invite friends to blog here too.
Seeing the outrage members expressed at the removal of the direct link to the CE , I’d say any plans for terminating the CE and forcing everyone to use the one that devours our posts and distorts our images, is going to drive all serious bloggers away.
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Maybe aside from losing face, what they have to lose is the opportunity to promote the new editor, without providing a link to the classic editor, so that new bloggers will not know that the classic editor exists.
I wanted to add that WP have already lost face by ignoring members requests and coercing us to be their beta testers. They can only save face by giving us back the direct access button to the CE and providing their written assurance that it will never be deleted, always available.
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Maybe aside from losing face, what they have to lose is the opportunity to promote the new editor, without providing a link to the classic editor, so that new bloggers will not know that the classic editor exists.
Absolutely …. but why promote the inferior version in the first place?
I can’t help but compare this experience with WP to other ones with MuseScore and GIMP …. two stellar open source programs. Both of them have lively forums, well visited by their management teams. Both welcome suggestions and acknowledge them gracefully. And both profit by an enormous amount of free technical work they get from users. …. who are more than pleased to contribute.
I spent three months creating a “work-around” for a feature the GIMP
platform wasn’t designed to work with. I struggled and counted pixels and swore in five languages. But I wouldn’t let go because I knew it will fill a crucial void. And it did. And GIMP was more than happy to acknowlege and include it in their site.In MuseScore they have “night” sessions …. which really just means people are working off-hours to come up with new ideas. Which are gleefully presented and often incorporated as new “tweaks”.
We don’t bray about “happiness” engineers …. we don’t need to. There are a handful of “engineers” we all know by name. And we’re ALL happy.
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Thanks for sharing that information.
In MuseScore they have “night” sessions …. which really just means people are working off-hours to come up with new ideas. Which are gleefully presented and often incorporated as new “tweaks”.
We don’t bray about “happiness” engineers …. we don’t need to. There are a handful of “engineers” we all know by name. And we’re ALL happy.
That’s the spirit that’s missing here and I think members are as upset by that vital element as they are about the new editor.
If staff and developers really listened to us, respected and valued our input, we wouldn’t mind being co-creative collaborators to make WP even better. But sadly, that’s not what’s happening.
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@ galacticsynchronizationcrew,
I can’t believe some members are colluding with the WordPress agenda by insisting we download grease monkey and configure script in our browser so we can access the classic editor!
No one is insisting that anyone do anything. Informing the tiny percentage of WP members who have visited this thread about a script which provides an easy and helpful alternative which they may opt to use while they continue to ask for the return of an internal link which is independent of choice of browser, add-on, and doesn’t require a script.
To withhold the information about the script while people repeatedly post here wailing in agony about the absence of a link to the new editor would be cruel.
Stating that grease monkey is a better alternative than others is not collusion with WordPress. One may make such a statement as an opinion while continuing to ask for an internal link from new editor to the classic which is independent of browser, add-on, and script.
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Hear, hear to most of these recent comments.
But let me ask you all something, merely as a matter of curiosity.
Is it not embarrassing to modern people to take six months or so to resolve a problem that could have been solved in five minutes had the simple desire to actually fix the problem been immediately in play, rather than the last possible option and thought considered?
It does not seem to embarrass many nowadays. Certainly not by gauging actual behavior.
Nobody is going to the moon here. This is simply writing in an easy to locate and easy to use and ridiculously easy to construct link to a vastly superior editor.
The way this is being mishandled you would think some programmer were being asked to Cross the Alps on a pack of untrained and rabid war-elephants, or that WordPress were being asked to devise a method for communicating with parallel universes.
Just go to some Middle School, get a kid who can code, and have him write and install the link for you.
Case closed, contention ended.
Then put that kid in charge of future site development. He’ll be closer to the end-user and likely far more mature in outlook.
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@ occu77,
Is it not embarrassing to modern people to take six months or so to resolve a problem that could have been solved in five minutes…
The link you refer to was removed about eleven days ago, not six months. They don’t have to write the code. The issue is not inability to write code.
This is simply writing in an easy to locate and easy to use and ridiculously easy to construct link to a vastly superior editor.
WordPress has not previously (since July 2014) acknowledged that the classic editor is a “vastly superior editor.” It is not presently acknowledging that to be the case, and likely will not in the near future acknowledge it. That is our problem.
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@galacticsynchronizationcrew and @nikkitytom
You both made great observations. It’s the spirit (attitude) behind the way things are being done that’s both wrong and unwise on the part of WordPress.
“Is it not embarrassing to modern people to take six months or so to resolve a problem that could have been solved in five minutes..”
It should be very embarrassing.
The way this is being mishandled you would think some programmer were being asked to Cross the Alps on a pack of untrained and rabid war-elephants, or that WordPress were being asked to devise a method for communicating with parallel universes.
Yes and whatever explanation has been given as to the “why”, and I’ve read this entire thread, not one was logical or acceptable or took member feedback into consideration.
No one is insisting that anyone do anything. Informing the tiny percentage of WP members who have visited this thread about a script which provides an easy and helpful alternative which they may opt to use while they continue to ask for the return of an internal link which is independent of choice of browser, add-on, and doesn’t require a script.
A lot of people are reading this thread, not just those who took time to comment and over 580 people have left their comments so far. The quality of feedback has been unanimous, detailed, invaluable, whether happiness engineers appreciate it or not.
- Nobody wants the new editor.
- Everyone wants the classic version.
- Everyone wants the option button that takes us directly back to classic mode.
People pushing grease monkey as superior to the “switch to classic button” complicate matters. It’s not a simple workaround or a solution. It just gives WordPress an excuse to ignore us.
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I want to make it clear that although I wrote the script to work around the removal of the link and preference setting, the script is just that: a workaround. I fully support a server-side setting for one’s preferred editor and have all edit links point to that editor. If and when that happens, the script will become redundant and I will no longer maintain it.
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Correcting everyone’s little technical mistakes gets tired, Music Doc. In my opinion, WP did acknowledge that it’s classic editor was superior. Did they use the exact words “vastly superior”? Who cares? Knashermac’s reveal at 2:14am was a keeper.
I think – and Galactic can correct me – that what Galactic was trying to say is that by sacrificing our own productivity (hopefully temporarily), by refusing to do any workarounds and only hammering on WP to reverse it’s position in regard to the editor, we are doing the right thing morally and will win.
Sometimes, If the issue is that important, I would agree. This isn’t life or death, at least not directly. (Hopefully the scientists here weren’t about to discover the cure to cancer before WP managers distracted them from it.) I don’t know how busy Galactic is on WP, but we don’t all work at the same pace. I would guess that I’m a very regular WP blogger. I am sometimes in the middle of more than 2 or more drafts. I do a lot of research as well, so things sit while I’m assembling data etc..
I think Galactic makes some good points and is clearly in our camp. We probably just need to try to not take our angst out on each other. Cudos to the bloggers blogging about this. I started to and found my WP jammed. It’s now unjammed. I don’t have the technical smarts that those like tempen have, but that doesn’t stop me from seeing the issues and finding a way to address them, which includes linking to solutions and explanations and views of bloggers like tempen.
When I ask an expert if there’s other blogging sites equivalent to or approaching the usefulness of WP and that person says Google it, then I’m dealing with a geek. Geeks have attitude. (I call myself a coffee geek just because I can’t come up with something that isn’t pretentious.) Attitude isn’t helpful even if the geek is a walking technical manual.
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I think WP has dug in, like the ‘kind of professionals’ they are. If this assistant is any indication of the attitude and thinking of WP, in the face of the response we in this forum have given to their ‘improvements’, then we have lost the palace that was WordPress. It’s still big. However…
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@larryduvall – I think I may have a bug that other users do not. No matter where I put my courser or where I click, I cannot scroll below a certain point, not using the scroll bar nor my mouse’s wheel. I can’t see what I’ve typed, I can’t even see a “Publish” button.
If I can’t get to Classic Editor, I CANNOT POST.
Also, in Beep Boop, the copy is all jammed together, no paragraph brakes, and no space between photos, so they are jammed together, too.
I also cannot edit. Clicking the “Edit” button takes me to a page that won’t allow me to edit. -
@ arrby,
WP did acknowledge that it’s classic editor was superior. Did they use the exact words “vastly superior”? Who cares?
You’ve mischaracterized what I said, conflating statements I made referring to two separate posts. Knashermac did not use the phrase “vastly superior.” Occu77 did. The quote from the WP Learn page cited by Knashermac 2009 is still present, but WP obviously hasn’t considered the classic editor as the premier editor, for any type of work, let alone promoted it as “the place to go when you want to publish something longer or more complex” for at least the past 8+ months, when the new editor was introduced. That’s obvious. Second, I didn’t criticize occu77 for using the phrase “vastly superior editor.” That’s your interpretation. I was merely quoting him.
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arrby,
When I ask an expert if there’s other blogging sites equivalent to or approaching the usefulness of WP and that person says Google it, then I’m dealing with a geek. Geeks have attitude. (I call myself a coffee geek just because I can’t come up with something that isn’t pretentious.)
I think you’re referring to my providing a link to a Google search on “best free blogging platforms” in response to you’re question asking for the same. Okay, I added “free.” Questions: Why do you think any of us are experts on the matter. I’m certainly not, and my response was made without attitude. On the other hand, descending to name calling, as you’ve decided to do, displays a bit of attitude.
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I haven’t add a blog post for nearly 10 months. I added one today. And it was so difficult to nagivate in this new publishing format that I am thinking about ditching WordPress and starting all over with a different provider. I had to do a forced shut down FIVE times as I tried to navigate. It reminds me of the old old days of the wild wild crash crash Internet. So annoying.
I’m on a MacBook Pro, with an older operating system, using Firefox, and this simply sucks. Yes, please give us the option to use the older operating system as a permanent default. Thank you.
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for the record: knashermac2009, Mar 24, 2:14 for his statement about finding info on WP’s view of the classic editor.
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