Please Reinstate the Option of Choice to Use the Old Publishing Format
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We will reply directly to all bug reports and use the feature requests to inform the continued iteration of the new WordPress.con dashboard.
Re: the new WordPress.con dashboard (Freudian slip?)
The new editor is one colossal “bug”. Absolutely everything serious bloggers need is missing.
Currently, only the Classic editor is functioning and has all the features I need to support my news sites and publish professional quality articles in a timely manner.
Another persistent “bug” that needs fixing is the automatic redirecting of users back to the malfunctioning new editor for each new post.
Once we get to the Classic mode, please fix the bug so we stay there throughout our session.
The bugs and technical malfunctions in the new editor will persist until it is on par with the original Classic editor, with all the same features and advantages. Until then, it is not yet fit to even be classified as “beta”.
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These are fantastic, creative suggestions that, if applied to this current dilemma, would expand options-choices and establish a superior, positive working environment for all, as well as a superior product.
These are helpful summaries worth noting for anyone new to this thread and the WordPress team of administrators-developers-support.
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@lizthefair
If you look at the URL for the button that switches from the CE to BBB you see the option ?optinMy guess is that this option means “I want to opt in to the new posting experience”
This does demonstrate to my mind at least t hat WP at one time considered this ashould be an option – ie a choice made by the user.
(To all WP users – don’t try to add ?optout because it doesn’t work)
But many of the recent excellent comments here are highlighting how new features should be down to the user to decide. Preferably people should optin to these new features rather than optout, but I know everyone here would settle for a default of optin, provided they could optout and that that user choice would be honoured.
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The classic dashboard is still available and, from there, the classic editor. You can also bookmark “New Post”. More info here:-
https://freedfromtime.wordpress.com/2015/02/03/wordpress-navigation-links-improved/Good Luck
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@lizthefair
Last time I likely post here, but here goes. You want our desires. Mine is this… either bring the “Return to Classic Editor” back to the Beep beep boop (BBB) editor, or give us a simple option to always use the classic.I see the “Edit” link at bottom of each post and I like to use that. And I have used it, even though it now goes to BBB. I CAN use the BBB, but I find it more difficult to find things compared to the classic.
One final point… somewhere a WP person stated that very few were clicking the “Return to Classic editor” link on the BBB editor. I find that VERY hard to believe.
I believe the lack of a link to “Return to Classic editor” is your wish to “push WP users into the BBB”.
If the BBB is really that desirable, you won’t need to “push”. It will naturally be selected by WP users. I am not one of those, and it seems there are quite a large number of loyal WP users who want the Classic, and only the Classic. And every link they choose should allow them to go to the Classic.
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@kauilapele
One final point… somewhere a WP person stated that very few were clicking the “Return to Classic editor” link on the BBB editor. I find that VERY hard to believe.
Of course not many people click on that link as first they moved it from the top of the page to the bottom, and then eliminated it completely. As I’ve mentioned in a previous comment here: a classical example of doctoring the polls to get the result you want.
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@kauilapele @wpvins
Of course not many people click on that link as first they moved it from the top of the page to the bottom, and then eliminated it completely.
Not only that, but as stated earlier in this thread, because the cookie caused all edit links to go back to the classic editor, there was no need to click the “Return to classic editor” link.
Some?
“Many” would probably be more suitable, but you can’t claim “most” without a proper, unbiased survey. It’s definitely not “all” if you were implying that because I personally know a few bloggers who use the new editor, but for most of them, it’s because they don’t care.
Actually, that brings up a good point: the ones who don’t care, whom I suspect make up the largest of the three camps (classic, new, and indifferent), won’t care if they get switched back to the classic editor.
Choice is nice, of course, because you might get the same uproar from the new-editor camp if you revoke access to the new one. But even if that choice is hidden away in the settings and documented in an obscure help file, at least it’s still a choice.
Some have pointed out that WordPress.com will miss some opportunity to market the new editor by making the classic editor more easily accessible. Considering that 109 people (and counting) in this thread will not respond positively to that marketing now, and those who don’t care won’t bother switching because it’s too much work, it’s irrelevant. Those who have made up their mind will stick to their choice (those who’ve been blogging here for at least a couple of weeks will have already), and the new users will be taken to the new one anyway. -
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It’s definitely not “all” if you were implying that
Nope, hence my leaving it at “some” without going into a baseless exaggerated rant. :-)
My point was that “some” was an understatement and deliberate downplaying of what was a very contentious issue when this first arose last year. I get why they would try to gild this lily but I just find it a cheeky dismissal of overtly negative user opinion; I assume WP hoped opposition to the new editor would die down over time.
Change is inevitable but improvement must be part of that change, not complications and it certainly should have been means tested better first. Finally the heavy handed application didn’t help WP’s cause last year (I think the complaints about it broke the record for the largest forum thread ever!) and it apparently isn’t welcome again now.
I am aware that some will go with the changes without complaint while others may not know about these forums to register their views and yes, some will even like it.
More power to those who want the new editor but when so many have spoken about wanting a permanent option to choose the old editor, WP really should listen and accommodate those users too, especially *if* the truth is that they are the majority.
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Don’t forget there are many many people who are totally unaware that they can voice their displeasure on a forum
@lizthefair
Assuming our feedback is valued, could you tell us how many people need to make a request before you accept that we have a fair point and carry out our wishes. When would you accept that you had got it wrong?
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I can get another 60 or so. Bloggers on my site who hate the new editor, yet are unaware that there is a WP forum.
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I can get another 60 or so. Bloggers on my site who hate the new editor, yet are unaware that there is a WP forum.
Perfect!
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WordPress only regard “bugs” and “technical issues” as worthy of their acknowledgement.
But the ones who actually use the platform have been trying to tell them through these comments that the new editor is one behemothic technical nightmare for professional bloggers and writers.
We have not struggled with this bug-infested leviathan because we are idiots and do not understand this shiny new monstrosity. We know it’s every fault to the core and reject it because it is utterly defective.
We expect to be able to work with an editor that allows us to EDIT what we publish and achieve professional results consistently.
Asking us to contribute suggestions to help you “tweak” the new editor is to ignore the monster in the room. You cannot tweak this new editor. It has too many technical flaws.
You need to go back to the drawing board and design an new editor that actually works, incorporating everything we enjoyed in the Classic editor and only then, add more features to accommodate your financiers demands.
Meanwhile, reset your default to direct users to the best of WordPress, not your worst, allowing us to remain in the Classic mode for the entire session.
If you continue to insist we implement volunteer-recommended workarounds to bypass the miscreant editor, I have to ask WordPress why should we bother supporting them when they do not support us?
We could set up our own network, run entirely on open source, and do far less work to make it work efficiently.
Think about that.
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You keep playing it again Sam when the horse is dead and you are beating the ghost of a dead horse.
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I really hate the new Editor (BEEP BEEP BOOP! what is that all about?) Please put back the old Editor or at least an easy link to it – looks like nobody likes the new format so why has WP changed it?
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