Please Reinstate the Option of Choice to Use the Old Publishing Format
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As much as I dislike the new editor, the poll you created makes no sense. The majority of the answers are in favor of the classic editor while the other answers are either neutral and not really pro new editor. Both pro classic answers could also be merged because they are the same. The whole poll is weighted towards the classic editor. Also the placing of the questions.
Just saying this as someone who prefers the classic editor. But this poll is extremely biased.
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Well done.
My vote is #441.@imperialtwilight
As much as I dislike the new editor, the poll you created makes no sense. The majority of the answers are in favor of the classic editor while the other answers are either neutral and not really pro new editor.There’s option 4 for people who love the new editor and option 3 for people who want both. I see no bias, unless you mean the overwhelming response against the new editor, which has nothing to do with flawed questions but mass discontent with a system that isn’t working and engineers who refuse to listen.
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There’s option 4 for people who love the new editor and option 3 for people who want both. I see no bias unless you mean the overwhelming response against the new editor, which has nothing to do with flawed questions but mass discontent with a system that isn’t working and engineers who refuse to listen.
You’re right, @thedangerousdream +1.000
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Exactly. 2 options pro classic and just 1 pro new editor and 1 neutral. Thus, 50% vs 25% vs 25%.
I voted for the classic editor too, but the poll could have been created better.
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I think that any poll posted here would by definition be weighted. ALL polls are weighted because all are created by interested parties. Whether political polls or any other typel
That being said I think that Imperialtwilight’s poll should be taken more as a “petition” …. and as such serves a very good purpose. More people will sign that poll than actually sit down to write a comment.
As we say i Hawaiian “I mua” … which means “forwards” …. we use it for any project or protest to give the participants energy and the courage to march without being diverted. ( years ago I did one midnight commemorative march over ten miles long, facing forward without a sideways glance.) I mua all ….
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Thanks for offering us an option to a forum where we only come to be discredited, isolated or made to feel like something’s wrong with us if we question the new editor or can’t manage the workarounds.
The past few months I just can’t post without major stress. It’s not a good place to be in when my blog was created to provide inspiration for people.
My vote is 524.
Ignore the critics. You helped us find a center of focus gets which helps us see how many of are struggling. I feel more confident tonight than I’ve felt since this new editor was introduced. I’m clearly not alone in my confusion.
I think that Imperialtwilight’s poll should be taken more as a “petition” …. and as such serves a very good purpose. More people will sign that poll than actually sit down to write a comment.
I agree.
As we say i Hawaiian “I mua” … which means “forwards” …. we use it for any project or protest to give the participants energy and the courage to march without being diverted.
True. Complainers take energy from people and steal iaway potential from any positive goal. Protests raise it. Forwards directs it like an arrow to its mark.
“I mua”
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Latest Poll count … 714 for scrapping the default or keeping the classic …. 105 for offering both options. No one so far in favor of the new version. Quite a good number considering its largely fueled by word-of-mouth within the WP community,
“I mua”
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There’s option 4 for people who love the new editor and option 3 for people who want both. I see no bias, unless you mean the overwhelming response against the new editor, which has nothing to do with flawed questions but mass discontent with a system that isn’t working and engineers who refuse to listen.
The actual poll aside, one of the biggest bias is the poll’s sample. This poll gets a lot of exposure to people who dislike the new editor, but not so much to those who actually like it. To properly interpret the results, you have to factor in your sample; that is, it may look like almost everyone hates the new editor, but that’s because your sample is more or less restricted to people who hate the new editor, so it doesn’t really mean anything. That’s why it’s extremely biased. Sure, you can say that it’s because everyone actually hates the new editor, but unless you get a good-sized sample of randomly-selected WordPress.com users, you can’t conclude that with any certainty.
Remember, I’m speaking as one who prefers the classic editor (I wrote that script, after all). However, presenting a proof using invalid proof techniques won’t help us.
I agree with nikkitytom’s statement:
That being said I think that Imperialtwilight’s poll should be taken more as a “petition” …. and as such serves a very good purpose. More people will sign that poll than actually sit down to write a comment.
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Alll polls are biased in one way or another. As I’ve said before … and we agree … let’s consider this poll as a petition. And as a petition, the numbers are very strong for such small exposure.
Until WP has the guts to offer a public poll on this issue, there is NO way to get a balanced sample. We certainly can’t paste this into the WP editor ourselves …. nor conduct a “random sample” either. We do what we can with what we have access to.
@imperialtwilight …. I commend Imperial for taking the time and effort to create this poll and to post it. It is easy to cavil over details … but the numbers are becoming impressive.
Remember only a minscule proportion of people ever post a comment, a slightly larger proportion will take a poll … but the overwhelmingly large majority will just sit and stew over the issue.
This is a known fact to anyone involved in any public issue … smart politicians or anyone promoting a cause are very cognizant of this fact. And take careful note of any protest, whether a petition or letter to the editor and any other public forum.
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Of course the poll (petition is better) is biased – for all the reasons given, but let’s not dwell on that too much. For me what is important is that 7 times more people have voted in a day than have posted here in 2 weeks. Don’t forget – the poll/petition still has not been exposed to a very wide audience of WP users. Hopefully that will happen in time although it still won’t capture those uses who dislike the new editor but don’t realise that there are ways of voicing that displeasure and have not read blogs in which it is mentioned. Spread the word.
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@nikkitytom
Looks like we were thinking pretty much the same thing at the same time, but yours was far more eloquently put. -
The actual poll aside, one of the biggest bias is the poll’s sample. This poll gets a lot of exposure to people who dislike the new editor, but not so much to those who actually like it.
I haven’t seen anyone praise the new editor yet. Have you? If there’s a thread in the forum about that could you post the link to the vote to attract their input?
There wouldn’t be a vote if everyone was satisfied with the new editor or if the technical administrators weren’t ignoring the issues. So of course the vote begins with the premise that there is a conflict over the new editor.
I did use comments from this thread to create the questions. Some want the new editor tossed in the trash bin. Some won’t use it but prefer to emphasize how much they like the classic editor. Other members want both editors but object to our choices being taken away or making access to the classic editor deliberately difficult. The last two questions allow for users who like the new editor and the ones who don’t care.
It it would be counterproductive to delete it after so many took the time to vote.
As a petition, a new set of questions can certainly follow this current poll.
The final results can be posted on any website that feels that the vote speaks to their concerns and sent to the WordPress owners for review.
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Thanks for the feedback. I was surprised to see over 800 votes tonight. My estimate was we might get as many responses as this thread, which was around 120.
How long should the poll stay up?
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The “poll” is even more biased than diaryofdennis indicates, due to the numerous biases in the proposition and its options, some of which I will presently describe. This would be the case even if your sample was random and of sufficient size to be meaningful. However, as tpenguinltg well points out, the sample is bound to be strongly biased in favor of the result the pollster favors. Bias is everywhere in this “poll.” Where is the bias?
1. An unbiased poll would not be prefaced with a statement strongly indicating the pollster’s bias against the new editor and in favor of the classic, as is done here.
2. An unbiased poll would not include obviously biased statements against the pollster’s opposition such as “I hate the new editor. It’s defective. It should be scrapped,” in any of the options, let alone the first option.
3. An unbiased poll would not include such obviously biased statements in support of the pollster’s favored side such as “I love the Classic editor…,” as is done in option #2.
4. Three of the five options (60%) include and begin with a “No” (or even more biased “Never”) response to the proposition that the pollster obviously opposes.
5. One of the five answers is neutral, #5. Three of the other four answers (75%) include the result the pollster obviously wants: retain the classic editor, while only two of the other four contain the result opposed by the pollster (50%). Option #3 purports to be neutral, but isn’t, for it begins with the “No” response that biases 60% of the options in favor of the result the pollster is supports.
It is really impossible to completely avoid bias since even the order of optional responses would tend to favor the earlier options due to the custom of placing favorite items higher in a list. However, one could achieve a much less biased proposition and list of optional answers such as the following:
Q: Which editor do you prefer, the “classic” editor, or the “new” editor? Check the most appropriate answer.
1. New
2. Classic
3. Have no preference; satisfied with both
4. Neither; dissatisfied with both -
Q: Which editor do you prefer, the “classic” editor, or the “new” editor? Check the most appropriate answer.
1. New
2. Classic
3. Have no preference; satisfied with both
4. Neither; dissatisfied with bothIt’s fair to say that experienced users are familiar with the deficiencies in the beta editor.
Inexperienced users should be warned.
Referring people to this thread before they vote is responsible, not manipulative. If they vote, they aren’t voting blind.
Anyone new to WordPress in the last year might not know they have a choice or the benefits of an editor that’s designated old and now hidden, only accessible with effort.
The bias we object to is the one foisted upon us by WordPress and the constant manipulation of the dashboard settings to bury the Classic editor deeper so that we are punished by their technicians if we refuse to use the default beta version.
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@imperialtwilight
I’m not saying you should delete it; certainly keep it up. I’m just saying that we have to be careful in how we interpret and present the data.As I have said before, I know a couple of bloggers that actually like the new editor (the other two on *nix Windows, for example), but they’ve never posted on the forums because there isn’t much reason for them to do so. It’s another one of those examples where the people who have complaints tend to be more vocal than those who don’t (and this is because a change implemented is assumed to stay for the foreseeable future, and those who don’t have anything to complain about have no problem with it staying).
For the record, I voted the first time the link was put up. If I’m to consider publicizing this poll on my blog, it’d be presented as a petition, not a poll, but the data would be come even more biased as a result (and if I do, it’d be after I post something not WordPress.com-related because that’s all I’ve posted about for the past few posts…).
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The key thing is that we want CHOICE. And that so many people signing up for choice should at least make the WP developers aware that there is a pretty large contingent of disatisfied users at the moment. Poll or petition … who cares. It’s a lot of people!
I wouldn’t quibble too much over a poll … and get sidetracked. Which is what WP would obviously prefer.
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Look – let’s be honest. The purpose of this poll/petition is to see how many people out there do not like fact that this new editor is being foisted upon us without the choice of opting out.
WP may truly beleive that the number is small, so let’s find out the best we can. Don’t be diverted by talk of getting there via the dashboard, workarounds and the like. That’s not the point.
1000 would be a good start, but what about 10000 or even more?
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Yeah, I’m not too interested in the intricacies of interpreting polls. It seems a tad beside the point. Just a quick glance indicates that more than a few don’t like the attitude and behaviour of whomever has taken the reins over this issue. I suspect that in the WP “team” (what a bs euphemism that can be) there are some, with less power, who don’t like the way things are going, and others with more power who are ramming their vision down everyone’s throats.
I’m not too worried about it. I’ve found that on the web there’s always a workaround or, if something I like totally vanishes, another even better service comes up. So if WP.com wants to cater to noobs, handheld or who knows what users, well so be it. I find that their app isn’t that great. And if they dumb down their classic editor for PC, well, as I say, they’re not the only game in town. They may be the best now, but the web is about change. And pretty fast change too, I would add.
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I just tried to simply edit the first paragraph in an article and it was going ALL OVER THE PLACE and ended up taking me ages. Astonishing how they can mess up so badly with this new system. What is the point of having everything disappearing all around you? I suppose they think it’s neat? I think it’s horrible.
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