Post Not Getting Indexed for Global Tag Search
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I have fewer than 15 tags on my one and only Post (that’s a test for now). One of those tags is “tedsweeran”. When I do a global search across all WordPress.com blogs for this tag, it claims that no one has ever posted content with that tag. I visited the URL:
http://en.wordpress.com/tag/tedsweeran/
Why is my Post not getting indexed?
The blog I need help with is: (visible only to logged in users)
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Thius is what I see here: http://poetrydude66.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/impressionist-painting-taylor-swift-ed-sheeran-performing-everything-has-changed/
This entry was posted in Paintings, Taylor Swift / Ed Sheeran and tagged ed-sheeran, edsheeran, edward-sheeran, everything-has-changed, everythinghaschanged, impressionist, impressionist-painting, painting, sweeran, taylor-swift, taylorswift, taylorswift13, taylor_swift, ted-sweeran, tedsweeran on August 26, 2013. -
All reasons for non-appearance of posts on Topics pages can be found here > http://en.support.wordpress.com/topics/#missing-posts
As you have assigned a combined total that exceeds 15 Categories/Tags to your post, you need to edit and delete. http://en.support.wordpress.com/posts/edit-posts-screen/ After removal of the excess categories and/or tags note it may take several days for your posts to begin displaying there.
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That is an absolutely classic spam tag pattern and all search engines can track and discriminate against blogs using that kind of keyword stuffing.
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Timethief, probably I am not understanding something.
First, my post was in the CATEGORY Taylor Swift / Ed Sheeran and subcategory Paintings. This has nothing to do with what the tags are, so why do you mention that?
The post was tagged with
1) ed-sheeran
2) edsheeran
3) edward-sheeran
4) everything-has-changed
5) everythinghaschanged
6) impressionist
7) impressionist-painting
8) painting
9) sweeran
10) taylor-swift
11) taylorswift
12) taylorswift13
13) taylor_swift
14) ted-sweeran
15) tedsweeranI counted 15 tags, and I was trying to limit to 15 because the documentation said they index no more than 15.
Since my post is the only one with the tedsweeran tag in it, I don’t understand why the date has anything to do with it.
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raincoaster, what is the point of allowing 15 tags? Can you give me an example of a post that uses 15 tags appropriately without your accusing it of being spam? I don’t understand your criteria at all.
I chose the 15 tags that best represented this content. I chose 15 because WordPress allows 15. Quite often people spell the same concept different ways, and my tags just reflect that. How is that evidence of “spam pattern”? What is the point of using tags if you are telling me search engines don’t want me to use tags? I’m confused.
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To my understanding, a spam pattern is the use of incorrect tags – that do NOT reflect the actual content – in order to bring traffic to a site. This Post does not use incorrect tags at all. Every tag used correctly summarizes the content. Why did WordPress promise to index 15 tags if using 15 tags is considered spammy? I am absolutely frustrated by your comment.
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Using multiple variants of keywords as tags is clearly spamming. Non-spam tags for a post like that would be:
Taylor Swift
Ed Sheeran
Music
Painting
Impressionism
Everything Has Changed.Period.
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Keyword stuffing is spam, whether that fact frustrates you or not. Stop doing it. It is clearly not working for you anyway.
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my post is the only one with the tedsweeran tag in it,
That’s another problem. Staff here have routinely said that if you are the only blogger using a particular tag, no global tag page will be generated for it, and your post will not be in the reader for that tag.
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raincoaster, the blog is not up and running in any active way. Don’t take cheap shots at me by saying “it clearly isn’t working.” I’m in learning mode.
If one third of the people post and search with the tag “taylorswift” and one third post with “taylorswift13” and one third post with “taylor_swift”, then how is spamming to simply index your content where people look for it?
You haven’t made any argument at all for your case. This is all your personal opinion, isn’t it? I’m not consciously trying to spam anyone. I am trying to put the content where people look for it. These are all correct keywords for my content. You haven’t explained why I shouldn’ use the different spellings of the tags that people actually use.
In fact different spellings is NOT my decision at all. Different spellings reflects the shortcomings of using any system based on tags. A tag based system will spell the same concept in different ways. How is it spam to simply understand that fact? It’s no fun to research how people spell things differently, but I am simply reflecting what other people did, not creating anything new?
Define keyword stuffing. Keyword stuffing is not the use of 15 keywords, right? Keyword stuffing is the use of keywords that do NOT reflect your actual content. I used NOT A SINGLE KEYWORD that did not reflect the actual content. Please define keyword stuffing in a way that does not depend on the number of keywords used, because I used the number of keywords that the WordPress documentation said I could use, and every one of those 15 keywords correctly describes the content? I’m not trying to abuse the system. I’m trying to follow the documentation to use the system as it exists.
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Regarding being the only blogger who uses a keyword, in the Taylor Swift / Ed Sheeran blog community, the keyword “sweeran” is huge. Go to tumblr and search that keyword and you get literally 1000 entries.
WordPress is creating a chicken and egg situation here. If you never allow the first post that uses a keyword, how do you bootstrap a category?
Moreover, there is no logic behind not indexing a unique keyword. If the keyword is so unique that no one searches on it, there is no harm done by creating that index, because no one will find the content.
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raincoaster is not taking cheap shots at you. The pattern of tagging you have established isn’t working and will not work in the future. If anything it’s already attracted search spider attention because they can detect whether or not any Tag assigned to any post actually appear in the text in the post. They cough when it doesn’t and they puke the post into the supplementary index where the sun never shines. What’s wrong is your thought pattern and that fact that you are referring to Tumblr and SEO in the same sentences and paragraphs is sad, very sad.
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That you do not understand how the internet works is clear. That you are going to continue to have issues dealing with it depends entirely on your ability to adapt and learn.
You have one post. ONE post. And you are complaining about not being indexed well in search engines. You have NINETEEN separate threads in the technical support forums; if you had merely blogged instead of wasting all this energy and volunteers’ time, you would have succeeded exactly where you have so far failed.
If you are not going to learn from the responses you get in the technical support forums, then please refrain from posting here.
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Timethief, THAT is a GREAT point. I need to make sure my tags reflect words in my content. But see where I was coming from on this. “Sweeran” is a fan-word that talks about Ed Sheeran and Taylor Swift as a possible “couple”. So if you have content that shows Ed Sheeran serenading Taylor Swift, it is definitely topical to the “Sweeran” tag. I just didn’t understand the cynicism of the search engines well enough to know that I need to explicitly put any tag I use into content.
So I need to patch up the content to correctly reflect the tags, not just have the tags reflect the content. Ah, all very complex I guess. But my tags do reflect the content, for anyone in the Sheeran / Swift fan community who understands those tags.
But then what to do about alternate spellings of someone’s name? I can’t help that people spelling Taylor’s name three or four different ways and actively search on those different spellings? I don’t want to copy different spellings of a person’s name into my content? That feels spammy too. No one else using “Taylor_Swift” as a tag is spelling her name with an underscore character? No one using “TaylorSwift13” is spelling her name that way in content? It’s a tricky business really to use tags that people search for, and not ruin your content by filling it with those exact spellings as well? This feels like a limitation of a tag-based search system, and if you don’t include the tags in content you are seen as “spammy”, but if you do include some of those tags you are also seen as spammy because they are unnatural spellings for an English conversation (but appropriate spellings for a search tag!). How does anyone win here? Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
The same exact post you are criticizing here is on Tumblr, and it is in the top five searches on Google for many important searches, so apparently it worked out pretty darn well for a no-name blogger who doesn’t actually understand anything about how the system works. The reason it got so high is because 770 people “liked” it on Tumblr and the search engines see all of that I guess.
The reason my post on WordPress gets nowhere is because there are no inbound links to it yet, and because the blog is two weeks old. Right? I don’t think the search engines even care about this content yet enough to evaluate it for keyword activity. And I’m trying in good faith to understand all of this business. You learn by doing and making mistakes.
And you don’t need to convince me that Tumblr is a horrific environment for SEO. I am moving the blog over to WordPress, right? Tumblr lacks even the most basic capabilities like the ability to put an ALT attribute on an IMG, for certain types of content. On Tumblr, the “Title” of the page is a *side-effect* of the first sentence of the post!!! So I wasn’t supporting Tumblr for SEO. I was pointing out that raincoaster’s comment that a keyword is not popular is simply factually wrong. The keyword I used is massively popular, on any search engine that takes the time to study it.
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raincoaster, why would I want to make 10 posts and do everything wrong and then have to correct it later. What is wrong with making one Post, learning from the mistakes I make, and using that knowledge to make the next 10 done correctly?
You haven’t provided any definition of keyword spamming except for implicitly “I know it when I see it.” Okay, I’ll respect your right to express your personal opinion. My opinion is that I put the content into four spellings of Taylor’s name and three spellings of Ed’s name because that is where people look for it. I am not responsible for how people spell things when they search for them. Timethief’s point is well taken that the content should have those words in it.
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Not on WordPress.com, which is where your blog is. And that is why your blog is not coming up on the global tag page for that tag: it does not exist. Deal with it.
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So on WordPress.com, if your content involves Taylor Swift, and people search for that content four different ways, you should just choose one of those four spellings, and never be seen by the other 75% of users who search for Taylor using alternate spellings?
If that is the way it works on WordPress.com, okay. They should write up an article on that too, or maybe they should automatically generate an email asking you to not generate the alternate spelling tags. That would all be good communication.
As a method of building WordPress.com’s tag system into something that can compete with Tumblr, it’s a massive #FAIL. But had I read something in writing that interprets things as you are doing, I would have followed those instructions.
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Here are the instructions. And in all nineteen of your threads here: https://en.forums.wordpress.com/profile/poetrydude66
Read what the skilled and experienced staff and volunteers are saying and follow their advice. If you wish to re-engineer WP to something more to your liking, WordPress.org is open source and anyone can contribute code to it.
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