Removing the scrollbar from the post editor one of the worst "improvements" yet
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@ kokkieh,
Thanks. I finally found the image URLs. Maybe it’s the heat.
The media library issue appears to be related to the facts that
1. Have some very large images, which I’m slowly in the process of resizing.
2. The new WP media library is set on infinite by default. I don’t know if you can change that setting. I’m going to look.The default infinity setting that came in on WP version or mod a couple of years ago, in Reader Settings, used to do the same thing to my PC. I had to disable it on all my WordPress sites.
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@musicdoc1
There’s no option to disable the infinite scroll at present, but you can switch back to the list view if that works better for you. It appears (for now, at least) to remember the previous setting, so if you set it to list now it should be like that still next time: http://en.support.wordpress.com/media/When resizing images, be sure to replace the existing images with new ones. Resizing them in the image editor does not reduce file size as it still keeps a hidden copy of the original image so you can undo changes if desired.
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@ kokkieh,
Wow. That was it. It was have been reset when they introduced the mod a few days ago. It didn’t even see those two options: grid and list. Have always had it on list before. The list setting is the solution for me because it eliminates infinite scroll, stops at 20. Thanks a bunch.
BTW, I began a thread on the media library infinite scroll issue minutes ago: Visiting the new WP media library causes my PC to crash .
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I gotta start proofreading my stuff.
“It was have been reset” should have been “It must have been reset.”
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I answered you in that thread already. We can continue the discussion there if you need to :)
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Perhaps one of us should just copy and paste your solution into the media library / infinite scroll thread.
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Another downside to not having the internal scrollbar for each post: Now, in order to add tags from within my post content, I have to open and use two screens as I cannot scroll down lines of my own post as I used to be able to do. This is definitely not an improvement in editing and working with content. As I said before — and will say again until WP hears us and responds to users’ concerns — is that this is cumbersome and time-consuming. Bring back our scrollbar! Please and thank you ;-)
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At 7:23 AM on July 24, 2014 (about 30 hours), happy staff member druesome, said on page 4 of the this thread:
Hi again everyone!
Let’s try to keep the discussion focused on what improvements we can make to the new post editor. I totally get how the current setup can be a hassle — all the scrolling up and down the post screen, not to mention issues with copying and pasting, and the huge white space that appears before the post content. We hear ya! I appreciate the discussion we are having, and rest assured that we are keeping a close eye on the issues brought up. Here’s a quick update on what’s going on behind the scenes:
Then follows an ordered list of 5.
I’ll respond separately to each item in the list, sequentially:
1. There are talks on pinning some parts of the Publish Meta Box, possibly in a minimized state. For now, a rough solution would be to press the Tab button which takes you straight to the Publish Meta Box.
The tab button suggestion does work. It immediately zaps you up to the publishing tool box, the “publish meta box” as he calls it, in the side bar.
2. The white space issue was resolved a few hours ago. Please help us test this and report back your findings.
I’ve not seen any extra white space in the post /page editors since this reported fix, or heard new reports of the issue, except a report by diaryofdennis on page 5 of this thread regarding white space, illustrated with a screenshot, when using the proofread button in text mode.
3. Copying and pasting issues in the Visual Editor were also resolved. Please test and drop us a report.
No, these issues were not resolved. Druesome’s report was published 30 hour ago. An hour and half ago I retested for the stripping of text and code from YouTube, WordPad, and NotePad into the visual editor. There were no changes. Each was still being stripped immediately upon pasting when in visual mode. The result is as if you pasted only space, is added in to the text mode. I’ve had no trouble pasting in text mode, though it’s unfamiliar and inconvenient.
4. Audio playlist not auto-advancing – resolved
I wasn’t even aware that WordPress supported audio playlists. Last time I checked, which might have been a couple of years ago, it didn’t/
5. No padding in content box for some Firefox users – resolved
I don’t know what “content box” refers to, much less the “padding” or lack thereof in it.
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My space code got stripped. How do you display an HTML space code here without it being stripped?
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My confusing page URL with image URL in the last thread wasn’t bad enough. Now I can’t even get the right season.
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It hasn’t come up since I mentioned it, and independent verification/denial would help, but can anyone report on how the pg up and pg down buttons function for them with this new setup?
For me, the lack of those buttons has largely stripped away the ability to move around a longer post in progress. Hearing one way or the other from people would give me an idea on what to do for the near future – either finding a fix or changing platforms.
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Page up and down buttons? Good question. We haven’t discussed these options thoroughly yet.
To scroll up or down you may use
1. browser scroll bar
2. keyboard up and down arrow keys
3. scroll wheel on your mouseThe rate of speed of the arrow keys can be adjusted in your keyboard settings. To go quickly back to the level of the sidebar Publish box, you may use the tab key on your keyboard.
Tips
I’d forgotten about these tips. In the Internet Tips section of the site ComputerHope.com, under the title “Quickly scroll on a web page” is the following advice:Scroll one page at a time in all major browsers including Microsoft Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox by pressing the Spacebar key. Move back up the page by pressing Shift + Spacebar or the Home key on the keyboard.
The article includes links to definitions of the terms page, scroll, spacebar, and home key, and links to additional tips for users of Firefox, Chrome, and Internet Explorer browsers.
Home key: Wikipedia
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1. Browser scroll bar is finnicky for me to use – I have a Lenovo Y500 laptop, and the trackpad is notoriously bad, and I also have Windows 8, which likes to open the charm bar on the right side when I mouse over that way, or open the start menu when I use the left & right mouse buttons in close succession. It’s why I use the keyboard 98% of the time.
2. Up/down keys are horrendously slow when you’re talking about a post that may be 11,000 words long (my longest post) or even just 6k words long (my average post for the last 100 posts I’ve done). You can adjust the speed/acceleration of using these keys, but all the same, this is an awkward means of navigation that’s a fraction of the speed, and which makes it very easy to get lost in the middle of a long post.
3. Given that I use a laptop, I have no mousewheel.
4. With the document open, while I’m typing in the window, use of spacebar only produces a conventional space. Shift plus space does the same. Am I, every time I want to move elsewhere in the document, supposed to click outside the window and then do it? Because if I’m doing that, then pg up and pg down work, but that’s adding 5-8 seconds to any navigation I’m doing (click out, page up/down to find what I want, click back in, navigate to precise spot if I was slightly off, click out, page up/down to what I want, click back in, navigate back to precise spot I want).
Do you know if this this a bug? Intended? Because page up and page down are very easy, measured ways to progress up and down the page, allowed by virtually any client, forum, writing document, etc.
For the record, in the midst of my testing here, I also just had the white space appear for the first time for me, with the toolbars at the top of the edit window migrating to the middle, blocking my view of the text. I used my Nuke ‘Em All extension to simply remove them, but that leaves me without toolbars.
I don’t want to sound needy or anything, but a 5-6 second increase in time spent doing something adds up very quickly when I spend 12 hours a day, two or three days a week, writing at my keyboard. When I write outside the window (ie. in google docs or openoffice) and copy in, I get innumerable (or a single huge) formatting issues, like awkward one-space indents mid-paragraph, or WordPress deciding to delete all paragraph breaks.
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All this talk about images is all very confusing. What I’ve noticed, going back to the original problem:
There was an inner scroll bar that was not just useless after the change, but flatly inaccurate. It’s gone now, I just noticed.
The text window is now huge, scrolling down off the page. So we only use the outer scroll to move around. This is dreadful. Is there any status on you fixing this?
I notice you haven’t changed this forum to use that new, horrible format. If you had, the window that I’m typing in would eat up the entire screen. Instead, once I type past a certain amount, the window scrolls down, and I have an inner bar (ah, fond memories) that I use to scroll up to the top of my text.
Why did you keep it that way in this forum while removing that same functionality from the text window?
So please, bring it back. Thanks.
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@ wildbow,
I don’t have time now to address each item in your list, though I sympathize with your plight. Let’s take one at a time for now.
4. With the document open, while I’m typing in the window, use of spacebar only produces a conventional space. Shift plus space does the same. Am I, every time I want to move elsewhere in the document, supposed to click outside the window and then do it? Because if I’m doing that, then pg up and pg down work, but that’s adding 5-8 seconds…
I was able to reproduce the effect you describe in the second sentence. Those three tips from ComputerHope.com fail if you’re mouse is inside the window. I had used the browser scrollbar just prior to each test, and therefore was outside the window. Each of them failed when I was inside the window. But the tab button works in either case, inside or out.
You can adjust the speed/acceleration of using these keys, but all the same, this is an awkward means of navigation that’s a fraction of the speed, and which makes it very easy to get lost in the middle of a long post.
Agreed. I wasn’t suggesting that the above methods are comparable to or good substitutes for the internal scrollbar. The window scrollbar functioned beautifully. For some users it was evidently indispensable. I still haven’t heard of a good reason for having removed it. Was merely offering some alternatives.
Before beginning this thread, I anticipated while writing the provocative title and introductory comment that though I could adapt rather easily to the change — it was more the absence of any apparent viable reason for the change which roused me — that other users would find it harder to swallow.
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