Stats Classics: How to set?
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@designsimply – Thanks for your continued reading of the threads and commenting.
I think the problem at this point is that it is solely you and other “Creativity Cultivators” and “Happiness Engineers” that are responding. WordPress as a whole has yet to acknolwedge the issues. I do appreciate your responses and those of other WordPress monitors, but it feels only as if we’re being paid a pittance of the respect and customer service many long term WordPress bloggers deserve.
You could also provide information as to why the numerous links to the older /wp-admin and /my-stats pages were removed or over riden, as they have been since the current upgrade. It feels like retaliation and if anything has ruined many people’s patience.
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We are not talking about the new interface but restoration of navigational links. I would have thought that would have got through by now.
However, your comments are valuable feedback. I shall be collating your input and looking for trends that I can report to the developers.
:-)
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I don’t have time or inclination to follow this entire thread. However I have to ask, has there been any positive feedback? Through any avenue?
Otherwise, as an Agile company, I think WP might maybe consider this a failed iteration, like the Dominoes chocolate chip cookie dough pizza, or the Edsel. -
@jontobey
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You can find a reply from CEO Matt Mullenweg at the end of the comments list on the post below:-https://freedfromtime.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/about-wordpress-changes-and-what-we-can-do/
You can also enter your reply if you wish. The more the merrier. :-)
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As I posted before, a workable desktop UX should not be victimized by the Mobile experience. They should both have excellent UX, one should not be secondary to the other.
From the CEO comment you directed me to:
” We’re working very hard on it, and there are many iterations to the interface and interactions coming throughout the remainder of the year, so if nothing else when 2016 rings around the only thing I ask is that you give it a try with an open mind again. “As I said, not all iterations are valuable, if this one has not passed the UX test then roll back and take the lessons into the next. Ideally that’s how Agile works.
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From Matt’s comment on @grahaminhats blog:
the changes we’re making are driven by a desire to improve things
Why “improve” something that worked just fine? And whose “desire”? Clearly it was not the WP users and customers. I appreciate that Matt responded to the blog post, but this statement indicates some very troubling corporate thinking at WP.
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@jontobey
@fionamquarie
&AllCould I possibly request, if you don’t and an spare a moment, that you copy your responses to the comment/reply of the post. Unfortunately, I don’t think he will get to know about it here and I don’t think he is aware of the deliberate removal of navigation links.
Thank You.
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fjordaniv, you have already given specifics, more than a few times, and that’s good. Your feedback is part of a bigger process now. You also seem to be demanding immediate action, but that’s not likely to happen, and I think you’re feeling frustrated about that part. I’m sorry you’re feeling that way. I can tell you that people are not insulated from the feedback and that changes are already planned based on it but I don’t have an answer for you about when changes can be applied—because of that, the older stats pages are still available.
The only immediate change I would have liked to have seen is the restoration of easy access to the old, time-proven tools.
My frustration is born out of many sources
•the fact that the new UI is not suitable for desktops and laptops for reasons we’ve elaborated on many times;
•The fact that once simple tasks now lead to the new UI, necessitating more navigation;
•The ham-fisted way the edit command was removed (and reinserted) in the My Sites menu—and for that matter, the fact that the new menu once again brings us back to the new UI rather than to our home pages;
•The changes to notifications;
•The general sense of aimlessness, and responses encouraging us to see if we could adapt to the removal of a tool that was, as it turns out, essential to many themes;
•The removal of easy and clear access to the old tools;
•The sense that one UI is suitable for 5″ and 30″ screens.
@designsimply, I appreciate your response, but my frustration is directed more at WordPress’s culture and recent decisions than it is a product of a delay in gratification. As such, it’s much deeper and more difficult to ameliorate.
I know you have little control over the latter concerns, but those are now the sources of my annoyance, and the root cause of my decision to leave WordPress.com, though I’ll continue to add my voice to these threads and forums.
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The only immediate change I would have liked to have seen is the restoration of easy access to the old, time-proven tools.
Can you bookmark this for now?
The edit link removal was totally an unintentional mistake.
I’m working to keep up with stats feedback, so I haven’t personally looked at the notifications feedback. I know other people are working on it though.
@designsimply, I appreciate your response, but my frustration is directed more at WordPress’s culture and recent decisions than it is a product of a delay in gratification
I hear what you are saying. I will do my best to make sure your feedback is heard, as I have been doing. I’m sorry it’s not more apparent yet, but changes really are being worked on.
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Lets try it this way. Please ask the “developers” if they would kindly put back the navigation links (including on the Reader) between the Desktop friendly pages. They may then politely ask for a Beta test group to help with alternate UI.
I am sure that will get you much more useful and apposite feedback that way.
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When you say that ‘changes really are being worked on’, do you mean that the team is working on bringing back the easier navigation tools for the older stats and post/edit functions, the latter being without the ‘beep beep boop’ which is rather patronising to anyone who wants to write seriously, the previous notifications function and detail – (I really liked the old gold star! Now there is a bell.), etc?
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To designsimply:
I wasn’t the only person to complain about the “too-blue” to use pages on WP. It’s a legitimate complaint. On the classic dashboard users can change the color scheme so it’s not blue.The bright blue bar at the top is too much like Facebook. Someone else mentioned that fact, too.
I will not use those “too-blue” pages, in fact I never used the old Stats page with the map because it was on a blue page.
For some of us, we spend a lot of time every day on WP. The experience has to be pleasant, or we don’t publish as much.
In many of the support threads you have continually asked for our complaints about the “new” whatever pages, looking for free beta-testers. I do object to that.
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I have been reading and reading and reading comments on a situation that is taking us all away from what we came to WP to do……….share who we are and what’s on our hearts with others of “like mind” (and sometimes not-so-much……). Over the past few weeks I’ve spent countless moments figuring out how to get to the various “old format” pages (and I am FAR from any kind of techy type!!!!). I consider this time a huge waste of my resources when what WAS in place was perfectly fine! There is this new wave of “touchy” formats that require certain new approaches but even I can figure out that the notion of “one size/format fits all” is ludicrous and insane!!!!!!! I am tired of jumping through hoops to find “what was”………BRING IT BACK!!!!!!!
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Honestly, if I was just given the option to set the old stats page (and the old editor) as the default on my blog, I would be happy. At least then I’m given a choice on what I want to see.
I really value the ability to just hover over the stats bars on the old stats page (rather than having to click on each day), as well as the weekly/monthly tables (instead of just having bar graphs).
Overall, though, being able to stick with a UI I’m comfortable with is an incredibly valuable thing for me. And believe me, I’ve tried using the new versions of the editor/stats pages, tried to get used to them. They just aren’t as easy to use. And that’s a problem.
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Well they’ve expanded the new stats viewing range from a week to a month (I accidentally clicked my stats link instead of using the oh so convenient bookmark they’re forcing us to use), which is a start, but I still don’t understand why they got rid of the views/visitors overlay. It’s just nonsensical
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geoffwhaley, the views/visitors overlay is a planned update! Working through this feedback is in the works.
blodge1, I’m referring to changes to the new designs. Not every request will result in a change, but the feedback is definitely being reviewed and considered and is a big factor in how to move the newer designs forward.
dandelionsalad, yes! Your feedback did have more detail! You replied a lot, in fact. And that’s cool. In my comment before, I was just trying to point out that ‘too blue’ by itself isn’t super helpful and that I wanted to know more about why, so I asked and you answered. :)
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That’s great to hear designsimply! Apart from the ridiculously scrolling involved and lack of space usage (for mobile/tablet), that was my biggest feedback problem
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Thanks for listening to our concerns, designsimply.
I previously stated my objection to the “too-blue” pages possibly on other threads, mentioning that on the classic dashboard/admin pages we do have the option to choose our own color scheme. I remember when that improvement/change happened a few years ago.
Please realize that I and possibly others here do love WordPress enough to comment in these Forum threads and want to have the place that we spend so much of our time be a pleasant experience.
I am also pleased to know that the classic WP Admin. pages will remain, including the very old Stats page at least that is what Matt said in his comment on Graham’s blog post: https://freedfromtime.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/about-wordpress-changes-and-what-we-can-do/
“I can say that the wp-admin interface will also be there for you or anyone else who navigates to it directly or bookmarks it, so don’t worry about that. You can continue using it, and for better or for worse we won’t be changing that interface very much beyond the updates that come from core.”
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So, what’s the big deal news? There is none as Matt did not say anything we did not already know.
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timethief, just that changes are starting to show up now. For example, the number of bars in the graph.
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