Stats Feedback
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Hi Supernovia,
Guess I’m too old school (just plain old). I find it hard to say “@supernovia”. It sounds too cold. Thank you all for keeping track of those WP followers, who can’t help but follow stats only — and only want to create stats for themselves. And, thank you all for keeping the stats of email followers separated from the WordPress followers without any dropping down required. That should work. (Please put email followers on top. : ) ……. Hint, hint. )
Re: “What’s Hot” — Yes, that section of my Dashboard is what I meant — but I looked at it as a stat — a stat of what is on WP for the day — just like the small bar graph on the right-hand side of the Dashboard is about stats. That “View” link there is usually where I go to start looking at stats — an oldie but goldie thing. I love it there. And — if I recollect correctly (but, don’t count on that) — that is probably where I started in looking at the list of followers that insists on locking up and that gave me a warning dialog.
I like and greatly appreciate having these various sections right on the Dashboard. After all, every one of these important sorts of things are on the Dashboard of a car. If one has to go blindly hunting for them, one could end up in an accident. Hence, the need for clarity from the get-go — the Dashboard.
Re: the lockups, I don’t understand that Calypso thing — will have to look into it. But, when I use Firefox for WordPress, that is the only time I use Firefox. When I leave Firefox, I always clean out the history. I use Internet Explorer for everything else, because that is what I started with years ago and am accustomed to it. I use Firefox only because WP wants me to. I even use Internet Explorer for following various blogs and that is where I run into a big time problem. If I want to leave a comment on a WP blog, it’s a gross mess. But, all my “Favorites” are in IE, so that is where I surf. Firefox has everything messed up in my “learned” way of organizing things. Oooh boy!
All those troubles are another thread, so I won’t bring them up here. It’s probably internet politics. Life is too short for all that.
All in all, I thank all of WP for taking care of us bloggers — diversified as we may be. It’s got to be a huge job. Kudos to you all. -
I realise I am very late to the party in responding to supernovia’s original comment here.
Personally, I think you are being a bit disingenuous. The reason “most people” were not using the old stats page is because WordPress took away any direct links to those pages last summer. Those without the know-how wouldn’t have gone looking for it and new members would never have looked for something they didn’t know existed.
I had mine bookmarked so I could continue to access them until December. However, I have found links to the old details but they are not advertised within the admin pages for my blog as far as I can see.
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I know nick. I just can’t believe in a time when WP proudly announced it powers 27% of the internet and is the largest blogging site on the planet that they are removing functions and features instead of adding them :-/
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So why has the countries map disappeared? Changing things with no notification is a bad business model and one that seems to infect you as well as Facebook
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Sorry – I seem to have lost the link again for the good stats page – could someone post again how to reach it? Thanks!
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Margaret, thanks again for that feedback. We weren’t able to get the “what’s hot” section added in this round of features, but do know it’s on the list for a future iteration. You’ll still be able to see it in your older /wp-admin dashboard as you’d like.
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Hi Supernovia,
That’s great — but this old lady doesn’t know whether or not I’m in my “older/wp-admin dashboard” — or how to get to the old one, if I am in the new one. I don’t recall making any Dashboard changes. Things just changed one day. Whatever I’m in, the Top 10 blogs and Top 10 posts are not in the “What’s Hot” section.It’s a puzzlement. : )
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Margaret, ah, okay. Right now we have two sets of stats. An older one, which you can find here: https://123hallelujah.wordpress.com/wp-admin/index.php?page=stats (the “What’s Hot” section is here: https://123hallelujah.wordpress.com/wp-admin/ )
And we have the newer stats here:
https://wordpress.com/stats/day/123hallelujah.wordpress.comFor this thread we’ve been going through feature requests for the newer version (mainly because we had to finally cut off access to a “middle” version that was breaking down). While we weren’t able to get all of requests finished, we did get quite a few and are just working out the last details.
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I noticed that there’s now a sticky “← Stats for [Date] →” bar when scrolling down, I assume in an attempt to address the whole “yesterday’s stats” problem. While I see this as a potentially viable solution, the time spent waiting for the data to load is too long that there’s still a noticeable context switch. This can be made better if the data for at least yesterday is preloaded. The boxes also jump around based on how large the ones above them are, but I don’t know how to fix that if you’re set on using the sticky bar.
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Hi @tpenguinltg, I want to say the older version loaded today and yesterday while you waited for the page to render. If you clicked on any another time period, you’d need to reload the whole page, and that page typically didn’t display as much data.
Right now we don’t pre-load yesterday, but if you click on yesterday or the day before, you won’t be waiting for full-page reloads either. Does that make sense? Also, I want to point out that each “day” (or week, or month) page has all of the info “today” has, with maps and everything — that was not available in the middle version.
If it’s still taking much longer than what makes sense given that explanation, go ahead and open a new thread with a modlook tag and we’ll troubleshoot with you.
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@supernovia
Just to make sure, you’re saying that the Calpyso page fetches yesterday’s stats via an AJAX call so that only the components that change (i.e. the boxes) are re-rendered (as expected of a React app), whereas the old stats page sent the data for today and yesterday in the reply, and any other time period required a full-page reload.Indeed, that is what I see, and I realize that’s why there is a delay (still a couple of seconds) when loading yesterday’s stats in the Calpyso page. My suggestion still stands, however. I believe that looking at yesterday’s stats is common enough that the data for yesterday should be preloaded. If the sticky bar was one way of addressing the context switch problem for yesterday’s stats, then preloading would further enhance the solution because it’s less time for me to forget what I was looking at.
I should also make it clear that I’m using the left arrow in the sticky bar, which is why I’m assuming that it’s a solution to the context switch problem.
Actually, now that I try it again, the behaviour I see is different. I saw spinners when I posted my comment earlier, but now it just waits until it receives the data and re-renders when it’s ready (about 1-2 seconds). I wonder if it was just my connection earlier. If so, then this solution will probably do without preloading. Not everyone is on a high speed connection and they may see a delay, but for me, this should be fine.
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Thanks, yeah that makes sense. I’ll pass along that feed back. I don’t know whether it’ll make it into this iteration, but we’ll have it on file.
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@tpenguinltg I got some feedback on that request: we won’t be prefetching more data. The time of preloading vs loading on demand isn’t really different. But preloading more than what’s displayed does significantly increases the download size for the page, which makes a difference for those on slower connections or who pay data usage fees. We have decided against it for now. I hope you understand.
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@supernovia That’s fine with me. There’s always a trade-off to be made and I’m all for shrinking the download size.
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Thanks for understanding. We’re sending back more data now with some of these changes, so hopefully more folks will be able to see what they need the first time. :)
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I am wondering if that is all what we get with the “All Time Views”? There is still so much more data to gather on the old summaries page. We had percentage change indicator, dailies, weekly… well, you know where to find the old summaries, I am not in the mood to count up how much more the old page is showing.
Also if it was the intention to make the chart more readable by using different blue colors in the “All Time Views”, I don’t think that worked out well. A screenshot of this page would be a perfect fit as a submission in the Reddit sub “dataisugly”.
Sorry, but I am disappointed how this turned out. Going to re-enable the script that allows me to see the old stats page with the old summaries.
I saw that all this went into the right direction, but you really lost me with the new “All Time Views” widget. Sad how much data you took away and how badly you present the chart. :(
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We worked hard on the requests we had. I’ll file that one for some future iteration. Thanks :)
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