Using adsense in the blog post
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Have you read this message from Matt people?
http://wordpress.com/blog/2006/07/27/testing-ads/Have you taken note of this as well?
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Hmm..interesting. So Scoble asked nicely did he?
Personally I tend to pay to keep advertising OFF a service I purchase. The key thing here is the principle. If ads are banned they are banned, and we users are told “no advertising – go read the FAQ” – then no one should be allowed to advertise on their WP hosted blog, whether they ask nicely or not. Whoever they are.
Personally, I’m not advocating for ads. But if you are going to allow them it should be equitable and seen to be equitable. The people less able to afford to pay are the ones that would probably have a case for wanting them. And what does it matter whether other people think they are ugly, or cheap or not to another’s tastes…aren’t they their own blogs? They might have to blog for revenue after all, if they’re suddenly going to be charged for a service they’re currently getting free… look forward with interest to hearing the results of the testing…
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Just wanted to add my two cents. I am very happy we don’t have ads here, and I really hope it stays that way, on personal blogs anyway.
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I don’t accept the line that some folks are “poor” as being either relevant or meaningful to this discussion at all. Is someone actually going to be doing income searches and means testing to ascertain the truth about a WordPress blogger’s financial situation? I think not. Therefore, anyone could manufacture a phony baloney case for “poverty” status and unfortunately we live in a world where people will do just that – they will lie. In fact there are those who will do almost anything for the “promise” that a dollar a day represents.
I believe that our WordPress “free blogs” should be ad-free blogs, with no exceptions of any kind whatsoever. Because I do not believe that WordPress staff should be placed in a position of having to determine any “extra-ordinary grounds” for exceptions to the rule. I further believe this policy should be expressed in the terms of service in legal terminology up to the standards to unequivocably satisfy the nit-pickers, although I believe the intent is quite clear to me as it is.
As for those who want to be paid peanuts for cluttering their blogs with advertising, let’s recognize that they have other choices. They can go elsewhere. And it’s reasonable that those who expect to be paid for blogging should also expect to pay to blog.
I’m hoping that WordPress will retain the distinction of remaining an exception to the rule about allowing advertising on free blogs. I believe that being a trendsetter in ad-free free bloghosting, rather than a Blogger tail-gater is the way to go.
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quotes, I don’t think I broke anything except wank’s heart for not treating her like Scoble. ;)
Of course Scoble gets a special deal: he’s obviously a trusted user, a friend, isn’t going to do anything nefarious with his ad abilities, and his presence brings a lot of exposure to WP.com (which in turn drives traffic to other non-Scoble). There are other VIPs who get similar treatment, you just may not have noticed them.
However the last thing I want on WP.com is people purely interested in blogging for money or sploggers. I think timethief nailed it.
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A lightbulb: emits blue light and no heat, not like hot -ugly yellow; attractive –looks
like usual, but lasts about seven years, costs $4. – $6. If every person on WP bought just one: about 2 million pounds of carbon emissions prevented from going into atmosphere.If you go to sleep, in the US, you are forced to inhale lethal toxins, thanks to rules of vile FDA, looking out for corporations, not health.
If you don’t know that, but I present data, studies showing harm of such toxins –on blog, why can’t I also offer lethal-free bedding? Why can’t I offer much better light bulb?
WW II to 2005: 79,000 toxins put into market, without any proof they are safe. Huge corp. use All media, to get free time/space to tout such toxins –without anyone telling the other side. But I should not offer Green/alternative/non-toxic products –on WP –because I’m not famous –don’t have a PR firm, lawyers, an ad agency? Failed to ask –nicely enough???
I read WP TOS, when there were 172,000 blogs; I knew I couldn’t put up ads, so I decided to link the blog to something else; but now I can not, it’s beyond my skill. So now changed focus of the blog and, even though it’s so hard my hair is on fire, I’m creating my own website, so I can offer non-toxics.
wordpress.com/notable-users/ –BUT: I should believe an airline, national magazine, huge corporations, Harvard –gets FREE use of WP –without paying to advertise???
They don’t hope I/we will read their blog, become consumers??? If so:
a) my parents didn’t raise stupid children
b) WP owners need crash-course in business“Need” not relevant issue –in any argument. Whether I want/need money from ads: not anyone else’s business. Either: ALL allowed to use WP blog –for purpose of Individual choice, even if we don’t own an airline, etc., or NONE, NO body allowed to do it.
Britgirl: Amen.
Poppy
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Poppy, our TOS only applies to folks we host here on WordPress.com. If you only want to advertise a business or something like that, you can always get a Blogger or download and run WordPress yourself.
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“I’m creating my own website”
I know that, I’m already doing that. That isn’t the topic. The fact that others are allowed to run ads –ON WP.com –is the topic.
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“Of course Scoble gets a special deal: he’s obviously a trusted user, a friend, isn’t going to do anything nefarious with his ad abilities, and his presence brings a lot of exposure to WP.com (which in turn drives traffic to other non-Scoble). There are other VIPs who get similar treatment, you just may not have noticed them.”
Really. So the assumption is that at least 99% of us are not trusted users then. And there are other “VIPs” allowed to run ads on their wp.com blogs? So we do have some more equal than others. Great.
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Scoble.
One link to a book of his at Amazon
One link to a book of his at Barnes and Noble.Are people seriously saying they are ads?
Has he got adsense? Chikita? Any of the others? Text-link ads? Affiliate ads sprinkled through his posts?
No.
He has 2 links to something he produced.
There are blogs from companies on here that link to their sites. Should we nuke them?
Should I ask that every single blog with two affiliate links be reported so they can be nuked?
Should I delete every single blog that has hosting referer links in there?Write a book.
Get it published.
Link to it.
There would be no problem with that.It’s not a more equal thing.
wordpress.org forums.
a search for “adsense” produces almost 11,000 results.
“Can we have a forum just for these people with ads please? They are overrunning the place”. That’s what awaits anyway… -
I’m split about the ads thing. I don’t blog for profit – I blog as a venting thing (more or less) when my work for profit stands still or overwhelms me. Happens several times a day. :)
I think not allowing ads limits the growth potential of WordPress.com. If ads are allowed – any kind of ads – then you’ll see a rush to WordPress.com to get blogs. On a global level, the rush will count in the thousands if not in the tens of thousands. That will of course look good in the stats.
However, 90% of the newcomers would produce trash for profit. WordPress.com would be inundated with trash. Only at most 10% would have something substantial to say, and which would be interesting to an audience.
So, I guess it’s a balance. Should the 90 % that will produce garish blogs for profit not be allowed, or should we welcome the additional 10% of quality bloggers despite the garish trash?
I think Matt is right to be cautious about all this.
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Other thing you have to remember is how many blogs have already been removed for spamming. I for one, would love to see a count.
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Podz – Matt already made clear that the answer to my question was ‘they are ads, but that’s OK because they’re Scoble’s and he is Special’, so you really don’t have to try and convince us that they aren’t ads anymore. If it is trying to sell something and the person broadcasting the message is getting extra income as a result of doing so, it is an advertisement. End of story. You may say that only certain types of ad are permissible, or that only certain people are permitted to host them, but please don’t insult our intelligence by trying to pretend that they’re not ads at all.
And really, everyone already knew that Scoble is Special, so this is no great revelation.
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Whatever happened to equality, one for one, one for all ; ) Wank I love your last post in your blog.
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To be fair, nobody ever claimed that all wordpress.com bloggers were of equal importance. You will have to look a long, long time before you find a bloghost without any sort of hierarchy; the voices of some users will always be more important to the admins than others. At least Matt’s open about the fact that if you’re a friend of the developers you get preferential treatment. You have to give him that.
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I appreciate knoiski’s good humour. And I’m asking myself how taking shots at Robert really moves this conversation forward. The answer I get is: it isn’t.
Is it possible that the following package of arrangements would prove to be a package that everyone could “live with”?
(1) no adverstising at all on free blogs;
and(2) subdued/complementary advertising allowed on pay for extended features blogs, which include more extensive “canvas” customization but not the ablitity to compormise security through template code hacking;
canvas references: http://silentbits.com/?p=260
https://lorelle.wordpress.com/2006/05/25/canvas-wordpress-plugin-build-your-own-wordpress-theme/
http://www.freshpursuits.com/canvas/
http://www.irakrakow.com/wptips/2006/05/08/canvas-103-is-now-available/;(3) all “friends of the developers” who are currently being treated differently than everyone else instead paying for their extenderd features blogs (in essense moving into category (2) above
If so the result would be that everyone in the free blog category would be on a level playing field and likewise the same would prevail for everyone in the pay for extended features category.
The creation of category (2) would not compromise security and WordPress would still remain the most secure blogging platform available.
There is a fourth element that could be considered. It would be that WordPress management provide a separate and unique forum for user development dialogue that Matt and the staff would also contribute to.
Why? Because such a forum would be separate and apart from the support forum.
Currently this function is being performed through the auspices of wank’s blog and IMO this arrangement is uncomforatble and problematic for both WordPress management and the bloggers.
IMO if wank was freed from carrying the burden being THE keeper of THE blog of WordPress dissent then her keen mind, knowledge and insight could be better focused and utilized by the entire WordPress community.
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